Tuesday, December 29, 2009

Volusia County Skeet & Trap Club, the rest of the story

Yesterday, it was Olympic Bunker that was being talked down. I posted a response written by Allen Chubb. Today, a well written response in regard to an effort to close or severely restrict the operations at the Volusia County Skeet and Trap Club.

I've shot at this Florida club. They are in the middle of nowhere in regard to having close neighbors, so I was surprised when I first read of an effort to close the club headlined as "Volusia County Trap and Skeet Club works with county to resolve site issues".

Here is the rest of the story...

Letters to the editor for Dec. 29, 2009

News-Journal Corporation / Florida

Pull, clear to shoot

I would like to expand on the Dec. 16 News-Journal report "Skeet club may stay on site in Samsula":

As reported, Volusia County sent out a sound survey crew twice in response to neighbors' noise complaints. No noise violations were found. As to allegations of horses being spooked by loud noises, the properties of Richard Beckman and others border on a hunting lease area. Therefore, the possibility exists for a deer hunter or other hunter to discharge a high-powered rifle within 500 yards of Mr. Beckman's or others' property, which may, indeed, be enough to frighten a skittish or not-well-trained horse.

I invite any County Council member to go out there when we are shooting at the end of Langford Road, which is 1.2 miles as the crow flies from Mr. Beckman's property and listen to see what they can hear. Also, if council members care to go out to the 65 acres we lease from the county to listen to what's going on there when we are not in operation, they may hear firearms being discharged from various directions, but on other property.

Although not part of the news report, the club has heard complaints that individuals have found lead shot and pieces of targets on their property. As to the shot issue, #7 1/2 shot is the largest shot allowed at Volusia County Skeet and Trap Club and will carry a maximum of 260 yards or 720 feet. It is a physical impossibility for shot and broken clay targets to come from our location onto neighboring property.

Remember that we are open only 12 hours per week: Wednesday and Sunday 9 a.m. till 1 p.m., and Saturday 1 p.m. until 5 p.m. These are our normal operating hours as of this time. We have the ability, according to our lease, to be open from 9 a.m. until 6 p.m. on either of those days.

Readers may have construed from the news report that the club had no insurance, when, actually, Jerry Miller paid for range insurance for years before the club relocated from the former Strickland shooting- range site. When we set up the new skeet and trap fields on the land leased from the county, we understood from county staff that we needed X amount of insurance; then, after we obtained the increased insurance, we were told in another meeting that our insurance was still insufficient to meet county needs. We, again, sought out the required insurance and found that, because of certain county requirements, this insurance was impossible to obtain. After lengthy negotiations between our insurance company and the county legal staff, a mutual resolution was finally agreed upon.

As to the statement in The News-Journal that the club agreed to no alcohol on the premises after the county stipulated it, this has been a club policy from the beginning. It was a condition of our original insurance policy. In fact, if we even smell alcohol on someone, they will be asked to leave.

As to county officials looking into developing a more modern skeet range and trying to interest the club in paying for it, the county actually wanted nothing to do with developing and running a skeet and trap facility, unlike the development of the Strickland Rifle and Pistol range that cost more than $1 million and employs three full-time county employees. The county has invested less than $30,000 in the trap and skeet venture, and it costs the public nothing to operate. In the future, if this endeavor continues, this could be a first-class clay-target shooting facility for Volusia County and the surrounding area at a cost of nearly zero dollars to the taxpayer.

It would seem to me that the fact that we have more than 600 members after being in operation at the new site for only two years, that there seems to be a serious need for this facility. This does not include the well over 2,000 visitors who have used or visited our facility and for the many people who are traveling in our state who have contacted us for a place to shoot. Also, this public facility is the only place in Volusia County where a person owning a shotgun can enjoy the sport of clay-target shooting and learn safe gun handling at an organized and responsible clay-target sport- shooting range. The Strickland Rifle and Pistol range does not allow any type of shotgun on its premises.

JIM BORDWELL, Vice President, Volusia County Skeet & Trap Club, Inc.


Monday, December 28, 2009

Olympic Trap Ranges (Allen Chubb)

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A discussion took place on Trapshooters.com in regard to the announced opening of a Olympic Trap (International Trap) bunker at Ben Avery.

As usually, the topic was hijacked and arrows started to fly.

The bunker at BA will be underutilized if they don't promote it to their shooter base.

In our neck of the woods the trapshooters have to subsidize the skeeters and the bunkerboyss. Even then there are bunkers that are just holes in the ground that only a couple of kids with Olympic aspirations use or they have gone to fallow. I mean no disrespect but history tells us that bunker shooting usually can't pay for itself.

On any kind of reasonable amortisation schedule, there is no way the cost of a 15-trap operation, plus the extra electricity will approximate the cost of a single trap house ... and that is ignoring the cost of concrete and assuming 110s and 108s cost the same, which they don't.

Allen Chubb posted a response and I received his permission to reprint...


I trust that everyone enjoyed their Christmas. If I may first publicly offer Cadry Genena and the staff at Ben Avery a round of applause for their fine effort in bringing this project to a successful completion. Raising funds for such a venture is no easy task, especially in these times. I am confident that the BA facility will be a huge plus to future US efforts.

I'd like to offer a perspective as an Olympic Trap (OT) competitor, facility designer, project manager and range manager. First and foremost, properly run and promoted Olympic Trap ranges can make a profit and be self sustaining. As evidence of that fact I will offer the following: When I built the bunker at the Ontelaunee Rod & Gun Club in 1989, I originally estimated that it would take 6 years for us to pay off the club for it's original construction investment. We raised a pretty fair amount of money, but the club still put a fairly large amount of seed money into the range. The club was paid off in 18 months; not 6 years. Now before anyone says "See, I told you so", I would also offer this information as well. Raising the money to build such a range is a daunting task, but one that pales in comparison to actually running it. My friends, your real work, worriment and anxious moments only begin when the first target is thrown on the opening day. There are parts of truth in a lot of the statements above from several of the parties. The real work is involved in building your core club shooter base. Then you have to build a regional shooter base and then finally you have to create a National Event attraction.

I spent my first 6 years as the range manager at Ontelaunee on the computer 3 to 4 hours a night, on the phone calling competitors, organizing events, etc. The work did not go away in subsequent years, but I built my base and became better manager of my time and efforts. The fund raising and construction phase of a range project is only for a short period of time, but the real joy and work begins during the post construction period. After 30 years of experience I will offer this recommendation. If you want to build an OT range at your club and you don't have someone that is a tremendously knowledgeable and passionate supporter of the game, than don't build one. This is a pretty bold statement, but mismanagement of our assets can cause mistrust, contempt and closure of a range. Having someone run a range that doesn't possess the qualities to do so in such a manner could cause a catastrophic collapse and embolden the nay sayers.

In 1983 there were 6 bunkers in America. We now have over 50. Now once again, before anyone jumps up and wants to offer another dose of "See, I told you so", you have to look at the facts and conditions in totality. Both our past and current National Governing Body (NGB) have very poor records in assisting and building ranges in this country. Both ranges in Los Angeles and Atlanta for the Olympic Games were task to their respective Olympic Committees and the NGB du jour did NO funding of those range construction projects. Out of 50+ ranges in this nation, the NGB can only be attributed with building the four ranges in Colorado Springs and that facility was built under the prior NGB's reign. That is a tragically poor record, especially when you consider that the NGB is task to assist and promote such projects at the "Grass Roots" level. So who built the other 45+ ranges in America. OT enthusiasts, corporations, private citizens and average shooting Joe's look you. The only bunkers built in this country with tax dollars were at the military bases, which now only encompasses Quantico (1 Bunker) and Fort Benning (3 Bunkers). By the way, you can throw all the dirt you want at the military, but up until 1996, they were the only shooters that produced Olympic medals for this nation, so you may want to temper your condemnation of their efforts. Why did this situation now change in 1996? Several factors contributed to this change and they are as follows:

1. With the range building surge after the 1984 Olympics, we had more facilities in which to now attract the youth, give them their first dose of the games. More ranges meant closer drive times, more participation, more competition, better skill building, etc. It was no longer a necessity to go into the military to become a competitive participant in these games.

2. The 4H and SCTP programs have been a huge assistance to bringing the new blood to the games to fill the many added ranges as identified above.

3. The creation and success of the Olympic Training Center (OTC) program has helped create an alternative to military service.

Now since 1996, non-military shooters have garnered 7 Olympic medals (Lakatos - 1996 Silver, Bade - 1996 Bronze, Cogdell - 2008 Bronze and Kim's 2 Silver and 2 Golds). The military proved to still be a formidable threat and contributor to Olympic hopes and medals with the likes Todd Graves's 2000 Bronze as well as both Vince Hancock's and Glenn Eller's 2008 Gold Medals. The success story is that where the US only had a one pronged approach to medal production and representation at the Olympic, we now have a credible two pronged approach to now include the civilian component. The eggs are no longer in one basket thanks to the "Grass Roots" clubs that received no help from the NGB. The incredible part of this success story is that we created all of this without a cohesive plan among any of us. We didn't have some big planning conference to lay out a 25 year plan in 1984. We all simply built our respective "Field of Dreams" and managed them to the best of our abilities. Just imagine what we could have created if the "Grass Roots" managers would have actually built a plan together. The competitors with a dream came; they learned and they won World & Olympic titles. This is the kind of stuff that they make movies about, but you won't hear it from many or any other sources. It is simply the factual modern history of the sport in America.

No matter what your game of preference might be, Viva la Differance". Condeming, belittling and creating an aire of belligerence is hardly the appropriate course to take when offering commentary about a sport that you know nothing about, nor do you get to be the gate keeper of any website that promotes TRAPSHOOTING, whether it is ATA or bunker. You have two avenues in life. You can either be a Builder or a Destroyer. What's your choice? If it's the later than I would recommend refraining from any further negative commentary.

If you take nothing else away from this post, understand that WE, the Grass Roots men (Charlie Wentzel, Steve Wirth, Jack Burch, Rick Chordash, Jim Clawson, Ricardo Alcantara, Cadry Genena, Guy Avedisian, Tom Baber and many Others) that built this success did so in a manner much like how the greatness in America was built.......with DREAMS, PASSION, HARD WORK AND FAITH.

Best Regards,

Allen Chubb


A past posting...

Keystone Shooting Park Olympic Bunker, Pennsylvania

Friday, December 25, 2009

Clark County Shooting Park, Nevada

The Clark County Shooting Park had a soft opening and is open for business. The Las Vegas club that many shot at in the past did not have it's lease renewed and is closed!

Shooting Park Map - PDF

The shooting community is looking forward to attending major shoots at the facility.

However, the shooting park will not run registered shoots. An outside party will have to run with the ball.

For those interested in hosting a shoot at the club.

Approved by Clark County Board of County Commissioners

- All groups who desire to use the park must have a current Registered User Group application on file at the Park Office. Individuals may not register as a User Group unless they are a bonafide business.

- All Registered User Groups must possess a current liability insurance certificate naming Clark County as additional insured before using the Clark County Shooting Park.

$1,000,000 policy is required.

- All event shooters and Registered User Groups must pay the appropriate shooting park fees through designated event coordinators or match directors.

The park is charging shoot management $30 per case for targets. The price includes someone to load machines. $30 per case, no matter if used to set targets, show targets or shoot off targets.

You must provide your own target pullers/refs.

You must provide for someone to run the desk/registration.

- All Registered User Groups must provide trained safety officers to supervise their events. If a sanctioned event is being held, these officers must meet the standards set by the sanctioning authority.

- All Registered User Groups must be responsible for match set up and clean up and ensure that their Clark County Shooting Park reserved areas are left in a clean condition. Clark County Shooting Park does not provide set up nor clean up services.

In the case of a large event (four or more days) the registered user group will provide a roll off dumpster. Registered User groups will be charged a clean up fee if Clark County Shooting Park staff must clean up after an event.

- All Registered User Groups must provide portable toilets if their event lasts more than six hours with 50 or more people (including participants and spectators). The first toilet must be ADA (handicapped) approved, with an additional toilet provided for every additional 25 people.

- All Registered User Groups must hire a licensed security agency for the duration of the event, or rental of buildings, when the event includes participants, vendors and goods or services remaining on property beyond normal hours of operations. The security agency must be approved by and contact the Park Office in advance to obtain specific instructions on close up procedures, access, etc.


The Nevada NSSA made inquires and passed on holding a shoot at the present time.

Subsidizing another clay target discipline

I came across a posting on a talk board where it's claimed one clay target sport is subsidizing another clay target discipline at the club. I've seen those postings in the past and have heard such talk at various gun clubs.


It only takes a small number shooters to pay the annual cost for any one discipline. Replacement parts, mowing, and power for the machines being the three major cost that come to mind. If a field(s) is seeing any use at all, the discipline is not being subsidized by anyone.

Also, if we're not talking machine replacement, that is the transition from Winchester machines to modern machines, the cost to run a field is minimal.

In any case, replacing machines is the normal cost of doing business. Something that should be planed for well in advance. There should no reason to raise prices because new machines need to be purchased. That should already be priced into the cost of shooting. If monies raised is not used to purchase new machines; maybe for a future clubhouse roof replacement or a replacement of the clubs mower. A club run as a business will charge enough so that they don't have to raise prices for a major outlay, as it's already been priced into what's being charged. If a club is not sitting on seven or eight thousand dollars in a emergency fund they are not charging enough for services they provide.

I know one club where the trap field was rarely used. They did not have one shooter that used the field weekly. In spite of that the club installed a PAT trap and a set of voice release as part of the clubs modernization program. The outlay was considered just the cost of doing business.

It seems that some shooters think they are subsiding another discipline because the other discipline doesn't have shoots or if they do, less shooters attend.

Nothing can be farther from the truth!

In most cases shooters making negative comments don't attend meetings or wish to disregard the annual treasurers report. We can't let facts get in the way, can we?

The bottom line is the net at the end of the year. Did the discipline take in more money than the club spent on it?

If the club is not netting at least 100% on each target (member run club) they are undercharging and have stopped operating as a business. 100% net is on the low side. I'm not aware of any club that I shoot at on a regular bases that is not netting at least 125% on targets. A club that has paid help may be closer to 200% if not higher. Remember, all the cost for operating fields now and in the future comes from target fees, not the price of membership. For whatever reason it's also the clay targets shooters that end up paying other major expenses the club may have, outside of taxes that is usually covered by membership fees at a number of clubs.

For a club operating a 5-stand the cost to purchase machines is rarely considered when setting prices. Again, a machine purchase is just the cost of doing business and for long term betterment of the club.

Can a club charge the same for 5-stand as it does for skeet and trap. The answer is no. More show targets, more targets thrown if a machine is given problems, and higher electrical cost to run the field. Most clubs charge a minimum of $1 more per 25 and I've seen it at $2 more, depending on the number of machines.

Some clubs have a night rate when shooting after dark to cover the cost of lighting. An additional expense that should not be passed on to others.

Will one discipline make so much money that the club can afford to build a new club house or to allow rifle range shooters to not be charged a fee? You bet, but that has nothing to do with one clay target discipline subsidizing another.

Christmas gifts for a women shooter

Gets harder each year to do something a little different in regard to gifts for Christmas. Thankfully the wife is a clay target shooter!

A Magnetic Barrel Rest for trap. It was for Christmas and I wanted it personalized. I called Shamrock Leathers. At no additional charge I was able to change out the logo from what was shown on the display ad and also have a first name added. An easy company to do business with.

Rounding off the shooting theme I also ordered a women's summer shooting shirt from Clay Target Shooting Shirts & Embroidery. A Moisture Management Shooting shirt was what I choose. When it arrived I found the quality of the material was better than I expected and the design of the shirt looked much better than shown on the companies website.

There are several companies that cater to women shooters. I've listed those that I'm aware in a designated area on the Lost Target Links page.

Thursday, December 24, 2009

Complimentary NSSA Skeet Membership

Have you been thinking of shooting registered skeet?

The NSSA has a deal for you, a one year FREE membership!

The rules:

Complimentary Membership recipients cannot have been a member of NSSA or NSCA at any previous time.

There is one exception: if a former NSSA member desires to compete in a registered Sporting Clays event and has never fired at a registered Sporting Clays target, then a Complimentary membership may be granted.

Download the application and submit to club or shoot management before participating in a registered event. The application shall be submitted to NSSA with a shoot report.

Skeet Membership

Tuesday, December 22, 2009

The Lost Target 2009 Year in Review

I ended up shooting four different shotguns this year. Not something I recommend. The last time I shot my O/U was in April. Going into 2010 all is well and I expect to be shooting my primary guns, especially my O/U in small gauge skeet events.

We attended the first Florida Chain ATA Trap Shoot held at the Flagler Gun & Archery Club, Bunnell, Florida. The previous winter I saw the addition of fields (both skeet and trap) and the effort put forth at the club to make it a shooting destination. The club put on a great shoot and I look forward to attending future shoots.

Hat's off to the Palatka Skeet Club, Palatka, Florida. After years of disuse, they put the clubs lone trap field back into operation. One of the things missing in Florida, compared to what I see in the Northeast, is small feeder trap clubs for the big shoots, especially for trap in Northeastern Florida. In the last few years I've seen three clubs in the region put a trap field into operation. At some point it should have an impact on ATA trap.

What a treat to watch the Southeast Regional Olympic Trap Tournament held at the Gator Skeet & Trap Club, Gainesville, Florida. I not only saw top shooters, but I got the chance to talk to Olympic shooters.

The past year I visited four clubs that I had never visited in the past.

Volusia County Skeet & Trap Club, New Smyrna Beach, Florida.

One of the newest clubs in Florida. I left the club knowing I would return. I was more than happy with the skeet side of the house. I can't remember his name, but they have a first class person running the trap operation. Very reasonable priced.

Rhino Outdoors, Williston, Florida.

A well run club. Sporting clays shooters will not be disappointed.

Lamoille Valley Fish & Game, Morrisville, Vermont.

The Lamoille Valley Fish & Game held it's first skeet shoot. No way I wanted to miss it. The club is a rifle/pistol club that happens to throw clay targets. A small but dedicated group in charge of the skeet operation. They have two NSSA shoots scheduled for 2010. I will be attending at least one.

Golden Triangle Trap & Skeet, Brockville, Ontario.

The Golden Triangle Trap & Skeet club was like finding an oasis in the desert. I had driven down the 401 many times on my way to Kingston, not knowing I was driving past a top notch club. A three hour drive, but worth the trip.

I also this year did one of of my better Hat's Off to shooter Jim Chapman.

The Canadian Shotgun Championships was an opportunity to see shooters from all across Canada in attendance. Hosted by the Montreal Skeet Club, Les Cèdres, Québec. A 600 target event.

As for the Lost Target website. I was asked if I could put up a clay target page for Ontario and for sporting clays in New York. I was hesitant, but posted a page for each. The Ontario page seems to be holding it's own, but the promised information support from New York sporting clays shooters has not materialized.

If you follow this blog you know I recently updated various Lost Target pages, especially the information pages in regards to visiting Canada and the U.S. with firearms. A major undertaken and very time consuming, but I think well worth the effort.

Thanks to everyone who has supported the site and my efforts to promote the shooting sports!

Monday, December 21, 2009

Fun shoot at L'Acadie, Dec 20th

I shot the trap portion of the fun shoot held at Club L'Acadie this past Sunday.

The shoot consisted of a 100 target 16-yard BenJo Trap Shoot and/or a round of Strapheet.

11 degrees when I arrived, the high for the day...

In the trap event you took 50 shells to the field and shot five per station. After all shooters shot their initial 50 you went out and shot the last 50. A break between the 50's was long enough so that you could go inside and have lunch.

I dropped eight out the first ten. I've been holding on the roof the past year but obviously this was not working. I started to hold about two feet above the roof and targets started to break. I thought targets were high, but not that high...

I passed on the Strapheet event. I've seen several variations through the years. The club went with two man teams and shooting from the rear of the field. The last part of the video shows the event. No video of targets. Almost impossible to get a video of targets in such an event with the camera I have.

In spite of the cold temperatures I was comfortable. For winter shooting I always place a chemical hand warmer in the palm of each hand, inside the glove. I also wear my earmuff hearing protection. I did have a problem with the eyes watering and it cost me a few targets during the first 50.

As part of the shoot, a venison meal with all the fixings was served at the end of the day.

Of all the clubs I shoot at in Canada, L'Acadie is the only club that flies the American flag year round. The club is located maybe 30 minutes tops from Montreal.

Shoot Photos

I did not experience any problems crossing the border in either direction.

Tuesday, December 15, 2009

Temporary Export, visiting Canada with firearms

Visiting Canada with a shotgun or rifle to hunt or attend a competition?

Make sure your aware of US export laws and Canada import laws in regard to firearms and ammunition, as the laws of Canada and the USA are in conflict!

Don't get caught in the government bureaucracy...

Canada allows for the import of 200 rounds duty free for hunting purposes, or up to 1,500 rounds duty free for use at a recognized competition. Canada also allows for more than three firearms to be temporarily imported.

However, US persons have limits on what can be removed from the USA.

    123. 17(c) Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use. U.S. persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided that this is for the person's exclusive use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership (i.e., firearms for use on hunting trips).

I've never heard of it as a problem, but if more than three firearms in your name and/or over 1,000 rounds of ammunition in your possession when returning to the states you may have issues. I can't imagine a target shooter returning to the states with over 1,000 rounds, but in rare instances, the traveler may have more than three firearms.

Also, under the laws of Canada, a Canadian may import:

- primers, up to a quantity of 5,000;

- propellants, smokeless powder in containers not exceeding 4 kilograms and black powder in containers not exceeding 500 grams, up to a maximum total combined quantity of 8 kilograms, (17.66 pounds).

Once again this is in conflict with U.S. law. A US person (as well as a Canadian) must have an export permit to remove the items from the USA and import into Canada. An American would require approval from Canada.

As a side note. If you bring a barrel into Canada to sell or to give to a friend, it requires an export permit.

A simple process to bring a firearm into canada. The procedures can be found on this page: Visiting Canada with a Firearm. Don't let the above keep you from visiting Canada to attend a shoot or to go hunting.

Monday, December 14, 2009

Montreal Skeet Club Dec. 2009 Fun Shoot

Three of us crossed the border and attended the Montreal Skeet Club's annual clay target turkey fun shoot.

At the Canadian border the lady working the booth was someone I've had process me in the past. As always, all firearm serial numbers were checked. If I was running a business she would be someone I'd hire, as both professional and friendly...

Overcast and maybe 30 degrees when we arrived at the club. No wind to speak of.

Registration was a simple process. All shooters logged into the computer.

We shot the sporting clays and 5-stand event, passing on skeet and trap.

We shot sporting clays first and while waiting to shoot the 5-stand it started to snow.

I had to laugh at myself during the 5-stand event. I was missing targets that should have been easy hits. I reached into my pouch to checked the ammo and pulled out a #9 shell...

After shooting the 5-stand I walked over and snapped a few photos of the skeet shooters.

If you view the video the last part really shows the snow.

I was able to snap a few trap shooting photos when I walking out to the sporting clays course, but except for one shooter I was not able to get in any trap shooting video.

Shoot Photos

A rather long drive home, as highway speeds were reduced. Crossing the border was uneventful. We declared the one turkey that was won by Mike Duquette.

Saturday, December 12, 2009

Free Golf Carts for Shooters

Free Golf Carts!

FOX News Network

After money from the "stimulus" bill was spent on destroying perfectly good cars and building an Airport for Nobody, the WSJ reports that government has found an even more ridiculous way to spend your money: free golf carts.

"The purchase of some models could be absolutely free," Roger Gaddis of Ada Electric Cars in Oklahoma said earlier this year. "Is that about the coolest thing you've ever heard?"

The golf-cart boom follows an IRS ruling that many golf carts qualify for the electric-car credit.

Tony Colangelo, in Florida, calls himself "golf cart man" and is already advertising free carts.

Golf Cart Man is referring to his offer in which you can buy the cart for $8,000, get a $5,300 tax credit off your 2009 income tax, lease it back for $100 a month for 27 months, at which point Golf Cart Man will buy back the cart for $2,000. "This means you own a free Golf Cart or made $2,000 cash doing absolutely nothing!!!"

I thought this giveaway was outrageous enough that it would embarrass Congress into killing the tax credit. I thought the media would be all over Colangelo, after the WSJ story. I was wrong. When we called him, he said, “I’ve never had so many phone calls,” But most of the calls come from potential golf-cart “buyers.” Colangelo said he had received some e-mails from newspapers, but my researcher was the first reporter with whom he’d spoken.

He also said the golf-cart credit is a very good thing. Good for the politicians:

It’s all [about] going green. They want all those gas vehicles off the street. They’d rather have the electric than anything.

And good for the average person:

I never, in my entire life, got anything back from the government and I’ve always paid taxes. Why shouldn’t the people who worked hard for their money get something back?

Because government shouldn’t be in the business of taking money and giving it back! That just gives the venal cretins more power over our lives.


First cash for clunkers – now free golf carts

by Steve McGough

In a twist that will tick-off taxpayers, the federal government’s plan to provide tax credits to buyers of electric vehicles has turned into a boon for golf cart manufactures. The IRS allows the full credit – $4,200 to $5,500 – to be applied to electric golf carts as long as they are road-worthy. Some buyers will drive carts for two years – and get paid $2,000.

Golf cart dealers are taking advantage of the the monstrous federal bureaucracies legislation. New golf carts, equipped with three point seat belts and rear-view mirrors, can easily be purchased for $8,000 and dealers are promoting the $5,500 rebate on your 2009 federal return

Taking this one step further, dealers are suggesting you can make $2,000 on the deal, after driving the cart around for more than two years for free! This is more ammunition for TEA party members and a great example of an out-of-control federal government.

From the Wall Street Journal.

In South Carolina, sales of these carts have been soaring as dealerships alert customers to Uncle Sam’s giveaway. “The Golf Cart Man” in the Villages of Lady Lake, Florida is running a banner online ad that declares: “GET A FREE GOLF CART. Or make $2,000 doing absolutely nothing!”

Golf Cart Man is referring to his offer in which you can buy the cart for $8,000, get a $5,300 tax credit off your 2009 income tax, lease it back for $100 a month for 27 months, at which point Golf Cart Man will buy back the cart for $2,000. “This means you own a free Golf Cart or made $2,000 cash doing absolutely nothing!!!” You can’t blame a guy for exploiting loopholes that Congress offers.

Can the deal be any better? For cart buyers, it really can’t get any better, but how do you feel about your tax dollars being used to provide free luxury items – golf carts – to other people. We’re not talking about tax dollars going to the poor to pay the heat bill ya know?

OK, maybe golf carts are “regular transportation vehicles” in some communities, but is the federal government going to subsidize the purchase of bicycles next? It’s not like the feds are requiring those who buy golf carts turn in their cars or anything.

Can it get more idiotic? Sure it can!

The IRS has also ruled that there’s no limit to how many electric cars an individual can buy, so some enterprising profiteers are stocking up on multiple carts while the federal credit lasts, in order to resell them at a profit later. We should note that some states, such as Oklahoma, have caught on to the giveaway and are debating whether to cancel or limit their state credits. But in Congress they’re still on the driving range.

Your federal government at work, and it’s just another symptom of the disease. Tax credits to specific groups as pay offs and a stupid go-green initiative leads to more and more of this crap.

TSA Recognized Baggage Locks for Firearms

A recent change by the TSA, or what I think is a recent change, has stirred up a bit of controversy.

Last year I received an email from the TSA after asking if a TSA Recognized Baggage Lock could be used to secure a firearm when flying?

They answered no!

Last week I was updating the web page I have dedicated to this topic and noticed a change in language on the TSA website.

I contacted the TSA in regard to TSA Recognized Baggage Locks and firearms, and a qustion on another subject. They ignored one question, but did answer the lock question.

Question: Can TSA Recognized Baggage Locks be used to secure checked baggage containing a firearm?

I received an email response (Dec 9, 2009):

Thank you for your e-mail about using Transportation Security Administration (TSA)-recognized locks to secure firearm cases.

Passengers may use TSA-recognized locks to secure firearm cases. However, TSA does not recommend or endorse any specific brand or type of lock to use on firearm containers.

This contrary to what I see posted on many websites but the TSA is the ruling authority and sets the standard.

This response was questioned on another talk board. I posted that if someone could provide me information to the contrary, a letter from the TSA or what have you, posted after December 9th, I would take another look at the topic.

Wednesday, December 09, 2009

Visiting Canada with a Firearm (Temporary Import)

The Lost Target web page in regard to visiting Canada with a Firearm was updated Dec 8, 2009.

Bringing Firearms Into Canada

I changed the flow of information to hopefully make it easier for those who have never brought a long gun into Candda, and more importantly, to not have any surprises on the day of travel.

A few notes:

A 60 day temporary firearm permit cost $25 (Canadian). You can show up at any border crossing and do the paperwork the day your entering Canada.

You can bring your own ammunition or with the permit, purchase ammunition.

For the most part, a handgun is not allowed. Unless pre-approved, don't even try as you will be turned away.

U.S. visitors require a U.S. Customs Form 4457 and Enhanced Drivers License or Passport when returning to the states. If flying, only a passport will be accepted.

If you had a DUI in the past you may not be allowed entry into Canada. There is a process for having a DUI removed from your record.

Monday, December 07, 2009

ATF Form 6NIA (Visiting the US with Firearms)

The Lost Target web page for this topic was updated Dec 7, 2009.

Visiting the USA with Firearms

The web page provides guidance for visitors to the U.S. who wish to temporarily import a firearm for target shooting, attend shoots, visit clubs or for hunting.

The ATF recently changed links to numerous postings. The links have been updated.

It also seems that the AFT Form 6NIA branch no longer has a dedicated web page.

I will be verifying voice and FAX numbers in the AM.



I talked to ATF this AM and the posted FAX numbers are correct. They have not changed.

I did not see any FAX numbers posted on the revised ATF main site, thus the telephone call. They are aware of the missing FAX numbers and expect a site update at some point.

Flying with Firearms

The Lost Target web page for the topic Flying with Firearms has been updated as Dec 7, 2009.

Flying with Firearms

Importing a Firearm

The Lost Target web page on this topic was updated December 7, 2009.

Americans Importing Firearms from Overseas and Canada

If you wish to VISIT the USA with a firearm for hunting and/or target shooting.

Visitors to the USA

A permit to bring a firearm into the states may take up to six weeks to process.

Canadians importing firearms to Canada

The Lost Target web page on this topic was updated December 7, 2009

For Canadians that wish to purchase a firearm in the states and import to Canada.

Canadians Importing Firearms

If your interested in VISITING Canada with a firearm for hunting and/or target shooting, visit this link.

Bringing Firearms Into Canada

* Rather simple to visit Canada with a long gun, very difficult to bring in a handgun. You can process a long gun at the border the day of crossing.

Wednesday, December 02, 2009

Shooter's Post... Looks Like a Home Run!

I have no interest in Shooter's Post, but I recommend all take a look...

The Shooter's Post is your one stop Internet site for everything shooting sports.

- Club / Organization Interactive Website (Free)

- Interactive Calendar

- League Management

- Tournament Management

- Mobile Access & Update

Shooter's Post

Tuesday, December 01, 2009

Lost Target Odds & Ends, Dec 1 2009

Glenrock Blue.

The Wyoming based company returned my Browning Citori. From what I see they did an excellent job. They even redid the gold trigger.

I went for a dark finish. It looks like I made a good choice.

If you been following the story I sent my shotgun in for re-bluing. When it came my guns turn to be worked on they found a part broken in the receiver. I opted to have them send it to a regional gunsmith for repairs, adding the cost of repairs to my bill. Hat's off to the gunsmith, as a reasonable charge for the repair.

A busy company. One time I called and they had 700 guns needing work. Two months later I was told they had 400 guns in the shop.

From what I see posted on talk boards, expect to not have your firearm from anywhere from three to five months, depending on time of year.

You get what you pay for. The shotgun had previously been re-blued by another company and the bluing failed. Thus, the shotgun being sent to Glenrock Blue...


Montreal Skeet Club.

The club is holding it's annual December turkey shoot on the 13th. I plan on attending. A bit of a drive, especially at this time of the year, but I always have a good time. A few years back a major snow storm hit while at the shoot and it took me over three hours to get home. Normally a 1hr 40 min drive.

You can shoot one, two, or all events; skeet, trap, sporting clays, and 5-stand.

I will shoot two events for sure, maybe three, but not all four.

A few years back I shot all events and my back went out...


Club L'Acadie.

The club is having a December fun shoot. Strapeet is the game offered, but it does nothing for me. However, the club was asked if on the same day a 100 target fun trap shoot be held and after completion, host a venison dinner (donated meat).

Have not seen the flyer as yet (should be received this week for posting), but I received two invites and the trap shoot looks like fun.

I don't know about you, but it's nice to receive a personal shoot invite instead of just receiving a shoot flyer in the mail...


Pierre Dubois.

I gave a Hat's off to the Australian Federation for the outstanding job they did with the information flow for the 2009 World FITASC.

Time to recognize Pierre for taking the time to take photos and pass them along for posting on the Lost Target.



Remington 1100.

I've been shooting for the most part a Remington 1100 this past summer and fall.

It shoots great when used for skeet and trap, but for whatever reason, my 5-stand and sporting scores have tanked.

The reason is most likely shooting to much trap and skeet. I'm having a hard time judging leads when I shoot 5-stand. I think next year I need to ensure three or four practice outings in a row, centering on shooting 5-stand and/or sporting clays. Doing this ever so often, not just when I'm getting ready for a shoot.

Not a natural born athlete and not close to being a AA shooter. I have to work hard for every target I hit, in all the shooting sports...