Monday, October 24, 2016

Halloween 5 Stand Shootout @ NCSC

North Country Sportsmen's Club (Williston, Vermont)

Halloween 5 Stand Shootout

The plan was to have two separate 5-stand setups. 

One, on the clubs permanent 5-Stand that has covered shooting positions and the other, setup on the trap field.  This would give the club two 50 target courses and allow for ten shooters per rotation.

Unfortunately, rains were forecast for the weekend and the two separate course setup was changed to allow the shoot take place with shooters not needing to stand in the rain. 

The borrowed machines that were to be used on the Trap field were instead installed on the permanent course and each given a Letter designation.    You first shot 50 Numbered machines and then shot 50 Lettered machines for a total of 100 targets.

The one course slowed things (only 5 shooters per rotation instead of 10) but made for a more enjoyable day for those in attendance.  A good decision!

Both courses had a rabbit.

Volunteers worked there butts off.  It didn’t go unnoticed.  Hats Off to all!
Best viewed at full screen.

Friday, October 21, 2016

Cell Phone Use at a Registered Trap Shoot

Unlike other clay target disciplines the ATA has no written rule prohibiting the use of a cell phone while shooting.  So, score one for the shooter if someone complains. 

But, the use of a phone may disrupt the flow of the shoot and should be a concern of all shooters and shoot management.

Shooters claim emergency standby or other reasons to carry a phone while shooting.

The phone starts ringing and playing a favorite James Bond theme when your just calling for a target, and worst yet, the shooter answers the phone and starts to have a conversation.  We're told were suppose to shake off such disruptions, but we're talking real world, not some discussion on a talk board.

May I suggest you either place the phone on vibrate and answer when finished shooting your 25 or give your phone to someone off the line that can answer it for you, or don't shoot.

As for the ATA and a lack of a rule.  Don't need an ATA rule if shoot management prohibits in the Shoot Program.

If a shooter is not happy with it, he/she has the option of passing on the shoot.

If a shooter does shoot and decides to use his/her phone anyway.

Page 10

3. Shoot Management of any registered event and/or tournament, at its discretion,
may reject any entry, or refund any entry.


Page 39.


1. A shooter may be disqualified tor an event or for a whole tournament
at any time by Shoot Management, or at any time by the Executive
Committee or such person as they shall designate for that purpose,
or disciplined by the Executive Committee, whenever the following
prohibited conduct is brought to their attention:

a. if in the opinion of Management or the Executive Committee the
shooter disrupts the harmony of the shoot, or

i. if the shooter does not abide by the Rules of the ATA, by the Rules set
out by Management, and/or in the official program.

Thursday, October 20, 2016

Rules Olympic Shooting Revised (January 1, 2017)

The air rifle events will have a 24-shot final instead of 20, as the two sets of three shots at the start have been increased to five each.

The time limit will be 250 seconds for the five shots in air rifle, and 150 seconds for the rifle prone event.

In the women’s 25-metre sports pistol, there will not be any semifinals. Like the men’s 25-metre rapid fire pistol, the top eight from the qualification phase will compete in a format of progressive elimination after four sets of five-shot series.

Similarly, there will not be any semifinals in shotgun. Instead, all trap finalists will shoot 25 targets, and elimination will be after 25, 30, 35, 40 and 50 targets.

The double trap finalists will shoot 15 doubles and elimination will be after 15, 20, 25, 30 and 40 doubles.

The skeet final will be based on a 10-target sequence spread over the third, fourth and fifth stations.

The eliminations will happen at 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 targets.

Before the last cycle, the finals used to be over 25 birds for trap and skeet, while double trap used to be 50 birds


In a drive towards paperless operation, the organizers would be encouraged to use wireless communication to provide start lists, results, etc. to all the teams, shooters and electronic display systems.

All finals will feature music and commentary. The ISSF has also advised the use of music during the elimination and qualification phase, wherever possible.

The use of biodegradable eco-friendly clay targets will be encouraged in all competitions and will be mandatory at the World championships and the Olympics.

Shooters will not be allowed the use of mobile phones, hand-held, or wrist-worn, when they are on the firing points or shooting stations.

The new rules will allow non-verbal coaching at all events.

All shooters will be allowed the use of front blinder with a specification of 30mm maximum width. However, only shotgun shooters will be permitted to wear side blinders of 60mm maximum depth. The rifle and pistol shooters will no longer wear side blinders.

Wednesday, October 05, 2016

Milford supervisors receive complaints of bullets flying from shooting range

Milford supervisors receive complaints of bullets flying from shooting range

I've come across articles claiming bullets flying off a clubs property more then a few times a year.

In this case the email complaint sent to township officials said “About twenty minutes ago, there was a series of 4 or 5 rounds that left the range and cracked over my backyard.”

In another portion of email, the resident wrote: "In the past, projectiles have passed directly over my head while I was out on my deck and in my backyard. They cracked and leaves fell from trees." He continued, "My daughter has had shots go over her head while she was walking on Walnut Lane."

At this point you'd think the club would have to temporarily close the range until an investigation took place and/or do some serious tap dancing with local authorities trying to prove they had a save range.

Not the case thanks to Chester Dotts, chairman of the board of Milford Township Fish, Game, and Forestry Association.

"Dotts said that over the course of this summer, he had made several improvements to the gun range by building new benches that slope down, adding extra dirt around backstops and installing security cameras.

The current shooting backstops stand at 47 high, 250 feet wide, 40 feet thick — that’s far above the traditional standard used in military practice facilities.

According to Dotts, only high-powered pistols can be used to rapid fire. He said the two men who were shooting on the 100-yard range at the same time that day followed all the rules and he has the documentation and video to prove it.

"These guys that I could see on the videotape did not do anything wrong and their guns were pointed down," Dotts told the board members."

From reading the article it looks like the complaint was made by a disgruntled former official of the club.  Thank goodness for the video system.


I've visit a number of ranges who in the last few years have installed credit card type cards for gate entry and exit.  Club knows the coming and goings of club members and the individual card itself can be deactivated if lost or membership not renewed.  I belong to one club that uses a card system and it's also my membership card (with my photo imprinted on the card).

One club that I'm aware without such controls has been playing around with the idea of either installing such a system and/or installing a video system because of repeated problems on the outdoor range.

I suggest a necessary outlay in monies. 

Even if you have the safest rifle range and have people shooting through pipes, theft and destruction need to be addressed. 

The old days are gone.  New neighbors may want your club closed and won't let ethics stand in there way, young people causing destruction just for something to do, and criminals looking for easy money and hoping to make an easy score.

It was either late last year or earlier this year where a private range owner reported someone stole the coin operated system off a clay target field. The following week he had a video system installed.

As the old saying goes; "Penny wise, pound foolish!"

Thursday, September 22, 2016

Slow Squads in Trap Shooting

At a recent shoot I observed two very slow squads.  Not one or two shooters per squad, but every shooter on the squad. 

It was agony to watch.  Shooters not ready to go when it was there turn.  Gun mounted for what seemed like forever before they called for a target.

Luck of the draw or they squadded as friends, I have no idea.  Shooters waiting to take the field when they finished were not happy campers. I'm sure not something shoot management is happy to see, as it can cause serious backups.

I read where two squads at the same shoot went out at the same time.  One was a three (3) man squad and the other a five (5) man squad.  50 targets per field.  Shoot 25 targets with a break to get your second box.  Finish the 50 and move to the next field.  When the 5-man squad finished shooting the 50, the 3-man squad was just starting the second 25.

I think we can all put up with a so called slow shooter, but more then two and it's not trap shooting.

I blame it on the shooters home club.

Why, no one sitting down with them at there first few registered shoots at the home club and giving them a few pointers before they start traveling to various clubs?  

I suspect a number of shooters out of the comfort zone of there home club, feel rushed at other shoots and soon stop shooting registered targets.

May I suggest....

1. Prior to the preceding shooters gun being fired.

Shell in gun.

Stance set.

Looking down range.

If you have to towel off, do it before it’s your turn.

2. Preceding shooters gun goes off.

Immediately close gun/action and mount gun.

Once gun is mounted, pause a second while looking down range to let eyes adjust and call for target.

Note:  When you mount your gun and if you have to adjust the mount/sight picture, then your gun doesn’t fit properly and you’re wasting seconds each time.  You should be able to mount the gun repeatedly without having to make adjustments. 

3.  If not your last shot on the pad. 

After you fire your gun.

Shell in gun.

Stance set.

Looking down range.

May I also add? The break between 25’s is not to have a talk session or visit friends.  Retrieve your box of shells, maybe take a drink of water, towel off and back on the line.

You will run into shooters who have their gun mounted before you call for your target.  They are the fast shooters.  Don’t be imitated by them. 
Shoot the pace, as seen in the below video and don't look back.

Monday, September 19, 2016

Northeastern Grand American Trap Shoot (Saturday Singles)

I attended the singles championships at the Northeastern Grand American at the NYSATA Home Grounds in Cicero, New York.

A vendor price list.

I watched the weather forecast for a week leading up to the shoot.  The forecast went from rain, to cloudy and a chance of rain in the late PM.  Saturday saw sunny AM skies with wind and cloudy (overcast) with a short sprinkle in the afternoon.  After the sprinkle, winds calmed.
We didn’t pre-register, as a last minute decision to attend.  Highly recommend you pre-register.

Classification, squading, and payment went smoothly.  No credit cards.

390 shooters for singles.

Two fields, 50 targets each.  A break between 25’s.  100 in the AM.  100 in the PM.

We had a machine break on the third round in the first 100.  They ended up replacing the motor.

No problems with the voice release and as long as the sun stayed out, no problem with the background. 

Targets popping in the AM sunlight.  Not so visible (orange) in the PM.  I’m sure many shooters don’t need the sun, but for me to see the target clearly I need the orange to pop.

Running around with the camera I saw some targets that stayed flat or dropped due to the wind.  One shooter had three droppers in a row. Ouch! Watching the flags during the day, it wasn’t a consistent wind.

The club was throwing White Flyer bios.  I shoot a lot of Lawry targets.  What a difference in breaks.  My 1oz. #8 Estates will consistently smoke a Lawry target at 16-yards.  Not so with White Flyer.  I will have to rethink ammunition when shooting White Flyer bios.  Maybe 7 ½ and/or 1 1/8oz.  I really hadn’t noticed it in the past, but the last three or four clubs I shot at were throwing Lawry and the difference in hits was noticeable.

The squad had a good rhythm.   Again, running around with the camera I came across a few squads that were ridiculously slow, and I’m not talking just one to two shooters, the whole squad.  I’m sure by time it was your turn to shoot, you were thinking about anything but shooting.

Parking was non-existent in the Bridgeport part of the club unless you arrived early.  A long walk if you had to park near the vendors.  I’m told there use to be more parking, but for whatever reason the grassy areas used in the past were not available. 
No deals on ammunition.

I suggest you watch the video full screen, via YouTube.

Wednesday, September 07, 2016

Is your local gun shop easy pickings for an afterhours robbery?

Afterhours robberies from start to finish usual take less than three minutes.  I’ve seen numerous reports of under 60 seconds (crash and grab).   

The latest smash and crab robbery that I came across netted 60 firearms.   A gang of ten being the culprits.

Alarms alert the police or owner, but bad guys long gone before they can respond.

Security camera’s usually only catch video of masked robbers and do little to identify.

A gun shop owner has to rethink its level of protection as a locked door, alarm, and cameras just don’t give the level of protection needed.

Lights and more lights a given.

Security gates or rolled down metal shutters when closed is a must.

Vehicle crash barriers around the perimeter of the store.  A common practice is to steal a vehicle and crash it high speed through the store front.  In and out in under 60 seconds.

And, security gates and barriers don’t always work.

I suspect the answer is a third layer of security that may be cost prohibited for the small store that’s been in business for what seems like forever, but almost a requirement in this day and age.

 A separate walk-in room, within the gun shop, where weapons are not only viewed, but also locked up overnight.   A room built to whatever sized that is needed, but in any case a separate secure room.

The room would be built using concrete block (or poured) with a walk-in vault door.  The floor and roof also protected.  Build it as a separate show room if it makes sense.

Looking around the internet finds a SnapSafe Vault Room Door designed to fit a rough opening of 38"x 82" (standard 36" door opening).  I would imagine larger sizes can be found as needed.

Interior motion alarms a must.  In and outside the room.

Any such room can be broken into if given enough time, but the idea is to slow down the thieves and give police time to respond before they gain entry into the vault area.

New ISSF Rules and Regulations approved (Shotgun)

Clay Targets The use of bio-degradable (eco-friendly) clay targets is encouraged in all ISSF Championships. The use of bio-degradable (eco-friendly) clay targets is required in all ISSF World Championships and the Olympic Games.

Mobile Phones Mobile phones or hand-held communication devices many not be used by athletes on the firing lines or shooting stations.

Blinders Only shotgun athletes will be permitted to use side blinders (60 mm maximum depth). Rifle, pistol and shotgun athletes can wear one front blinder 30 mm maximum width), but no side blinders.

Shotgun Ammunition The use of colored wads is prohibited. Only transparent or translucent wads may be used. Strict enforcement of maximum shot charge limits (24.0 g +0.5 g tolerance) will continue.

Shotgun Butt Stocks The lowest point of the butt stock or toe of the butt plate may not be more than 170 mm below a horizontal line extending from the bottom of the shotgun action.

Shotgun Finals The present finals format with a semifinal and two medal matches will be replaced by a progressive elimination format where the sixth place athlete will be eliminated after 20/25/30 shots (skeet/trap/double trap) and the gold and silver medal winners will be determined after 60/50/80 shots.

Monday, September 05, 2016

Club Huntingdon (Quebec) Fun Trap Shoot

Club de Tir Huntingdon (Sainte-Barbe, Québec)

Tournoi Five Men Team ouvert à tous

Twelve (12) teams selected by random draw.

You couldn’t ask for a better turn out.
Blue skies and just a slight breeze.

Registration opened at 8:30 and the shoot started at 10am.  A good number of shooters getting in practice before the start of the shoot.
A 50 target trap shooting event. Two fields (Pat Traps).  

Six (6) teams shot twenty-five (25) targets on one field and the remaining 6 teams on the other.  Once all teams finished, teams switched fields and shot the remaining twenty-five (25) targets.  A third field was available for practice throughout the day.
The event moved right along and no delays.

The desk ran smoothly. 

Hamburgers and hot dogs for lunch.

Medals awarded to the top three teams, as well as a trophy to high women and man.  A nice number of random draw prizes awarded.
A volunteer club and all hands were on deck.  Hats off to the men and women who ran the shoot.


The club has been at its present locating since 1963.  The club has had good times, as well as bad through those years. 
Approximately four years ago it was going through a bad period. 

I’m not aware of the full story but a group of shooters stepped forward and took steps to turn the club around.

It took a few years, but two Pat traps purchased with wireless voice release.  Heavy equipment was brought in and much needed work to improve the property was done.  A small rifle range was installed.  I’m sure the club house needed work.  A nice size parking lot easily handles a large number of shooters.

A large shipping container was purchased for storage of targets and equipment. As recently as last month trees were bull dozed in the area past the distance stakes on field 1 and 2.

Several fun shoots held each year.

I’m told plans to build a covered porch off the clubhouse is planned for next year.

A good number of the shooters (and family members) at the club are bilingual.

The first few times I visited the club not many accomplished shooters.  Now, a good number could hold there own at a registered trap event.

I don’t often visit the club but I dropped by last month and two squads shooting and 18 guns in the gun rack.   I had to switch fields, but easily shot three rounds with little delay.  When needed they will open a third field (Winchester machine).

Thursday, September 01, 2016

Mailing Shotgun or Rifle USPS (New Requirement)

Changes at the Post Office.

Postal Bulletin 22444

Mailing a Shotgun/Rifle.

1. Bear a “Return Service Requested” endorsement.
2. Be sent by Priority Mail Express (with “signature required”) or Registered Mail.
3. Include Signature Confirmation service or insured mail service (for more than $500) requiring a signature

In the past USPS was usually a money saver when shipping. You may want to revisit shipping via FedEx or UPS.


432.4 Indemnity Claims
When indemnity claims pertaining to regulated firearms are filed for loss or damage to contents, claims will only be paid for complete loss under either of the following conditions: a. The regulated firearm has been lost, or b. When the mailer has provided reasonable estimates of firearm’s value and of repair cost from a reputable dealer, and the repair cost exceeds the declared and/ or actual value of the firearm at the time of mailing.

Thursday, August 18, 2016

Broke an Remington Forend Support (Remington 1100)

We were at the range shooting trap today and my wife's 1100 didn't close properly.  When she pulled back on the handle a metal piece fell to the pad.

Part of the Forend Support. 

Only a $9 part, but after all these years you'd think the metal would have been beefed up to prevent breakage.    Lost count through the years on how many we replaced.

You can keep shooting the gun with a broken Forend Support.  I recommend snapping off the other half.  Replace the part when you get home. 

I keep a completely assembled Action Bar Assembly, Action Bar, and attached Forend Support in the shoot bag.    I keep an assembled piece, as I've had the rail break in the past.  No quick fix for that.

The wife's gun was up and running as fast as it took to swap out parts.

When I got home I replaced the Forend Support from a spare I have at home.  An easy fix.  The new part just slides on.

I had a major gun failure a few years back due to a broken Forend Support.  The broken piece stayed in the chamber and when the gun cycled it broke the Interceptor Latch Spring.  What a mess. I was told after the fact that I could of pulled out the Interceptor Latch and the gun would have still worked as long as I didn't load more then two shells. 

I'm thinking Beretta for the wife.....

Friday, August 05, 2016

Loaning a Gun to a Fellow Shooter, Against the Law (California)


Your at a shoot and your gun breaks.  A fellow shooter offers you a backup gun to finish the shoot.

You decide to bring several friends to the club for a fun day and bring along a couple of shotguns that they can use, as they don't own any.

Your local club offers gun rentals or free loaner guns.

Your son wants to bring some of his friends to the club and let them shoot a round of trap with your shotgun (under your supervision).

In California come 2017 all will be against state law.

I can think of a number of times through the years I brought an extra gun to the club, as a neighbor or friend heard me talking about clay target shooting and wanted to give it a try.  No longer possible if they don't already own a firearm.

I can think of several states where you can expect this to be enacted at some point.

In California gun transfers require an FLL and a ten day waiting period.  You transfer a gun to someone.  Incur an FFL fee.  And, when returned, another FFL fee.  This is the only way you can loan a gun other then as listed below.

A backdoor to killing the shooting sports.

Still think the NRA is the bad guy?

Assembly Bill No. 1511
An act to amend Section 27880 of the Penal Code, relating to firearms.

[ Approved by Governor  July 01, 2016. Filed with Secretary of State  July 01, 2016. ]


AB 1511, Santiago. Firearms: lending.
Existing law generally requires the loan of a firearm to be conducted through a licensed firearms dealer. A violation of this provision is a crime. Existing law exempts from this requirement a loan of a firearm between persons who are personally known to each other, if the loan is infrequent and does not exceed 30 days in duration.
This bill would instead limit that exemption to the loan of a firearm to a spouse or registered domestic partner, or to a parent, child, sibling, grandparent, or grandchild, related as specified. The bill would require a handgun loaned pursuant to these provisions to be registered to the person loaning the handgun. By expanding the application of an existing crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.

Vote: MAJORITY   Appropriation: NO   Fiscal Committee: YES   Local Program: YES  

The people of the State of California do enact as follows:


 Section 27880 of the Penal Code is amended to read:
 Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm if all of the following requirements are satisfied:
(a) The loan is to a spouse, registered domestic partner, or any of the following relations, whether by consanguinity, adoption, or steprelation:
(1) Parent.
(2) Child.
(3) Sibling.
(4) Grandparent.
(5) Grandchild.
(b) The loan is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.
(c) The loan is for any lawful purpose.
(d) The loan does not exceed 30 days in duration.
(e) Until January 1, 2015, if the firearm is a handgun, the individual being loaned the firearm shall have a valid handgun safety certificate. Commencing January 1, 2015, for any firearm, the individual being loaned the firearm shall have a valid firearm safety certificate, except that in the case of a handgun, an unexpired handgun safety certificate may be used.
(f) If the firearm being loaned is a handgun, the handgun is registered to the person making the loan pursuant to Section 11106.

SEC. 2.

 No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution.

Wednesday, August 03, 2016

Fun Shoots and NSCA Not a Good Mix

When I was at the New York State Shoot I was in conversation with someone who was planning shoots for 2017.  Combining fun and ducks unlimited shoots with NSCA shoots came up.

A red flag went up when I heard that.

I guess no harm done if your club routinely throws "skeet in the woods" type target presentations when holding NSCA shoots, as no need to dumb down the course so hunters and first time clay target shooters have a chance of breaking more then 50% of targets.

But, if your normally throwing NSCA targets for the more accomplished shooters, who is your target audience when combining NSCA with a Ducks Unlimited, Wounded Warrior or some such shoot and you don't dumb down the course?

Are you throwing targets for everyone to have a good time, especially the hunters that only shoot clays once or twice a year and the club hopes they return for such shoots in the future and bring a few friends (and, maybe become members of the club)?  Or, letting them get beat up on targets and never to return and tell all there friends about the hard targets they missed?

If you offer NSCA, then NSCA members must shoot NSCA.  No option to pass, fun shoot or not. And, a dumb down course accomplishes what for an NSCA shooter? It does put money in the pocket of the NSCA and the state association, but could kill your future attendance for such shoots.

Just something to think about and the decision the club makes will impact future attendance.

Monday, August 01, 2016

NY State Sporting Clays Championship @ Rochester Brooks

Rochester Brooks Gun Club, Rush, New York

Friday, warm and humid.  A breeze kicked up in the area of the club where FITASC was being shot and made the afternoon a little more bearable.

On Saturday we had a sprinkle of rain in the AM, but other then that a dry day. Uncharacteristic for the club, but problems with several machines.  I've been attending at least one shoot a year for the last 10 years (or more) and not a common experience.  My Sunday 8:30 start saw no major issues.

One of the 5-stand's had a rabbit target thrown so close you could almost reach out and touch it.  So many shot and missed, resulting in a number of laughs.

A shotgun for Junior shooters was awarded by lucky draw, as well as one for main event shooters (lucky draw).  Cases of shells (lucky draw) for New York State residents.  All those cases and never had my number called.

Three videos and a number of photos posted (along with a link to results).   FITASC, 5-Stand, and Sporting Clays are the three videos posted.  If you like to see targets break I think you'll be happy.


After the shoot I received a critique on my shooting.  Three accomplished shooters all said I need to work on my hold points.  Figure out where you want to break the target and establish a hold point no more then a third back.  Much appreciated.

No problems with the Beretta A400 (without a recoil reducer).  The EZ bolt release lever install was a good upgrade. I shot 1 1/8 in the main event.  2 3/4 dram I could shoot all day.  Can't really notice the difference between 1oz and 1 1/8 in regard to felt recoil.  I did notice when I shot a box of 3 dram, 1 1/8.   Beretta was at the shoot and listing the A400 $150 - $200 under going list price.

Mid County will play host to the 2017 New York State Championship. 

Vernon National (near Rome, NY) had put in a bid for the shoot, but not well known by down state shooters.  At a disadvantage going in and new to NSCA shooting.   I've been attending an annual Veterans Benefit shoot at the club for a number of years.  A beautiful and spacious piece of property.  They will have a NSCA shoot on September 10th.  Two individual shoots, 100 in the AM and 100 in the PM.  Posted on WinScore.