Thursday, December 28, 2006

Range defense fund, NASR?

Clubs are being attacked in isolation and being knocked off one by one, or forced to place limits on range operations.

As the population grows, the future will only see more attacks.

Clubs do not have the resources to withstand legal challenges.

A club may be in court for a number of years, and also have the expense of proving they are not in violation of environmental laws, too include noise standards.

The monies for this will run into thousands of dollars and most likely bankrupt the club and/or force its closure prior to the issue being resolved in a court of law. Many times the club folds its hand and reaches a so called compromise that limits club operations, as it no longer has funds for its defense.

A national organization is needed to provide assistance to clubs that come under attack.

Looking at the various national organizations, I see the National Association of Shooting Ranges (NASR) as the logical choice to set up a program to provide for the defense of clubs when they come under attack.

The NASR is a sub organization of the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) who has the ear of manufactures of shooting related equipment and supplies.

The NASR is already in the business of providing support for clubs that are making an effort to meet environmental standards, and also provides information for range operations.

I would think the logical next step would be for them to establish a Range Defense Fund where a clearing house would be maintained on all legal actions, past and present, taken against shooting ranges. They would also maintian listings of all current range laws (federal, state, and county).

The established fund would offset legal fees and assist with the payment of environmental and/or noise test that most likely be required in the clubs defense.

Experts in the field of range operations would be made available for court proceedings.

I envision something in the order of The US Sportsmen's Alliance Foundation that protects hunting rights, but efforts geared towards the local level, but at the same time working to enact state wide range protection laws.

Ranges that meet minimum NASR standards, and comply with existing state and federal laws would receive assistance from the NASR.

Funding would come from the business community, donations, and fees placed on clubs that wish to come under the Range Defense Fund umbrella.

Tuesday, December 26, 2006

Clubs and the environment

I may be beating a dead horse, but one more time.

Is lead from your range landing on a neighbors property?

The national recognized standard for shotfall is 300 yards. You can argue this distance all you want, but when THEY come after you, this is the standard used. If shot or targets are landing off your property, you lose...

Is your club shooting over water?

A number of clubs have closed because they could not reconfigure the fields. Don't wait for the EPA to pay a visit. At some point every club in the states will be visited.

Also, locals may want to ensure lead is not getting into the water table. Your club may find itself forced to periodically have water test conducted, to prove lead is not leaching into the water supply.

Is noise from shooting reasonable controlled?

If you can see the neighbors home when shooting, it's time to plant that stand of trees along the property line to lower the noise level. You may want to also plant trees to the rear of the fields. Anything to knock down the noise level.

The Lone Pine Hunters Club in New Hampshire, a 120-acre property, has been closed for over a year until sound studies can be completed and recommendations made. The gun club is about 1,000 feet from the nearest home. One recommendation made is eliminating Sunday shooting.

A state wide range protection law may have been helpful...

Saturday, December 23, 2006

Cost per round for skeet & trap

Someone posted a question to the trap talk board wanting to know the price of a round at trap clubs.

I added up the numbers from those who responded.

I added a few clubs on my own to the figures below.

I did not post the $6.00 or higher prices that I saw, as they are private clubs or heavy into paid help. The price for shooting a round at a Canadian club was not included.

Price per round, skeet & trap.

One - $5.50

One - $4.50

Three - $4.00

Seven - $3.50

One - $3.25

Nine - $3.00

Four - $2.50

All are member rates.

Just consider this a snapshot of prices charged in various regions of the U.S., as you may find pockets where $2.50 is still the norm, and in other areas $4 might be the norm.

What strikes me is a few years back I saw the same information posted and for the most part the price was $2.50 per round, until you started adding Florida prices, where if any club still charges below $3 a round, I'm not aware of it.

These prices will be reflected in 2007 NSSA / ATA shoot fees.

I know one club that raised practice rates in 2006, but did not pass it on to registered events held, instead maintaining the old price level. The club will raise the price for registered events in 2007 to reflect current target prices.

As for the clubs that also have 5-Stand, I see that many are charging anywhere from $1 to $2 more per round over the price of skeet/trap when I was looking at various web sites. More machines and a lot of show targets does not make that unreasonable.

Spring Deuce, Rochester 2007

Rochester Brooks, Rush NY, Apr 21-22

The flyer won't be out until early spring, but six of us already have room reservations at the Super 8 in Henrietta.

For the sporting clays shooter who wants to get a bang for his buck, this shoot is for you.

Very reasonable priced for a shoot of this size.

Last year saw three days of shooting, with some shooting FITASC or a prelim on Friday.

Besides FITASC, you have sporting clays, to include small gauge events.

They also run Make the Break and have a 5-Stand in operation. Skeet and trap is also available.

Last years shoot was criticized for targets being set to hard, so I suspect they will be toned down a bit.

I had my hat handed to me, but no complaints.

I always get my hat handed to me at big shoots, so what do I know?

It was only about six stations that caused all the heartache, but that they were in one area of the course, one right after another, took the heart out of many.

They were not targets where IC was good enough, and just because you shot LM or mod, you better understand leads or you were out to lunch.

In any case, I highly recommend this shoot if your looking for a good weekend.

Well run and all events start on schedule.

Major motels are 15 minutes north of the club, and ten minutes from the motels is a major mall along with various restaurants.

The Super 8 in Henrietta will probable see a minimum of fifty shooters in residence, as the price is right and the motel is clean, and seems to be the motel of choice.

Guns in the home

Loaded firearm in the home...

STOP. As you read this, where is it located and where are the kids?

I'm not going to debate the pros and cons of firearms in the home for protection, but what are you doing to keep firearms away from your children, or from your children's friends that visit?

An older child will gain access to your firearms no mater what you do, as eventually they will have access to keys and or combinations. Hopefully, they are well aware by that age, the damage a firearm can cause.

What of the pre-teenager?

Just telling them to stay out of the closest or drawer is not going to work.

A child's friend may wander the home and come across a firearm and think its a toy.

I've come across more than a few news articles where the handgun was left in a drawer or under the bed, and unfortunately found by a young one who just started playing with it.

Kids are kids and that's just the way it is, and if you assume otherwise...

One answer for those who feel the need to keep a loaded gun in the home is a portable gun safe made for a hand gun.

The minivault can be had for $120 and allows for quick access.

Gunvault Minivault Standard

If your going to keep a loaded handgun in the home this may be the way to go.

Friday, December 22, 2006

Club contact information

With 2007 calendars being posted to various sites, please do all a favor and take time to make sure contact information posted to the site is correct.

Nothing more frustrating then to contact a club by email and have it bounce.

Just this past week I've experienced bounced email. One email address was no longer valid and on another site the mail box was full and could not receive any further emails.

Obviously the second is where someone lost interest in being the point of contact and stopped checking for messages.

What may be even worse is after having the email fail, is too contact the webmaster for the site and ask for a good address and he does not reply.

Your left to playing phone tag, hoping your call is returned.

Some sites just list the clubs telephone number and forgo email, no problem, but I think at a minimum they should at least list someone who you can call in the evening other then leaving a message on the clubs answering machine.

Thursday, December 21, 2006

Welcoming new shooters

Do you shoot at your home club each week and have been doing so for a number of years?

If so, you instantly recognize when a new person drives into the parking lot or walks into the club house.

So, why do you ignore him?

Those who shoot registered targets are probable not going to be put off by a cold reception when visiting a club for the first time, but the shooter that rarely travels or for someone considering shooting the clay target sports for the first time, it can be a major turnoff.

Unfortunately, it happens more times then we want to acknowledge.

A simple Hi, what can we do for you, is all you need to say.

You then direct him to the person running the club for the day.

We lose many potential shooters each year based on the reception received on a first visit.

I've visited a club or two where after only being there for a short period I already know I won't be making a return visit based on perceived attitude.

More than a few times I've had shooters tell me not to visit so and so club as they (the shooters) are full of themselves or you have to know someone in the "click" too be welcomed.

I also hear "that's a skeet or trap club", and if your not prepared to shoot the dominate sport at the club you won't be welcomed.

Is that what new shooters see?

Is that your club there talking about?

Last year I ran into a shooter who was fairly new to the shooting sports, who was looking for a club to join and had visited several. The squad he was on at one club made fun of the gun he was using. I kid you not. He never returned to that club even though it was the club closest to his home.

It was there lose, as it turns out his wife and one of his kids are now shooters and the family is members of two clubs, just not members of the club closest to his home.

How many shooters he told that story too I will never know, but he sure is doing damage.

He voted with his feet and went elsewhere, as he was willing to travel.

Many others just decide to not take up the clay target shooting sports based on the experience of a first time visit.

Monday, December 18, 2006

Loose ends

Pass Port.

Don't forget, For those flying, a Pass Port is required to enter the states as of 23 January. This includes Americans who are flying.

For those driving, the re-entry requirements have not changed.


Temporary Canadian firearm fee.

I was asked at the Underhill shoot by more than a few shooters what the registration fee was for visitors bringing firearms into Canada. I thought it was $25 Canadian and did a quick followup.

Off the firearms center web site.

Once the customs officer has confirmed your declaration, it will have the same effect as a licence for you and a temporary registration certificate for all the firearms you bring to Canada. It is valid for 60 days. You can renew your declaration at no additional fee, if you renew it before it expires, by contacting the CFO of the province or territory where you are staying. To renew it, call 1 800 731-4000.

A confirmed declaration costs a flat fee of $25, regardless of the number of firearms listed on it. It is only valid for the person who signs it and for those firearms listed on the declaration.


Canadian firearms license.

American who received a Canadian five year Firearm License through Quebec.

No charge at present to renew.

You will automatically receive a package in plenty of time to renew from the Canadian Firearm Center.

However, It does not say so in the package, but you must submit a letter from your local Law Enforcement, this is the same type of letter as when you applied for the initial license.

For me, the local sheriffs department ran my drivers license and printed out a letter stating I was a citizen in good standing with no wants or warrants.

The Firearm Center will send the completed package to Quebec for final approval, and Quebec will not give final approval without the letter.

I'm not sure if this is just a Quebec requirement, but an American who just renewed his license had his approval held up because the letter was not turned in as part of the package. He was allowed to FAX it to the Quebec office once he found out it was needed. In any case, when renewing, just enclose the letter.


State side hunting license.

For those who use a state side hunting license to support the ATF Form 6NIA.

Many states now have the 2007 license available.

You can use your 2006 license to renew your ATF Form 6NIA, as long as the license has not expired on the day its received by ATF.


Factory ammunition.

I was able to pick up Estate 12 gauge ammunition this past week for $35.65 a case.

1oz, #8's. The same shells two years ago were $32 a case.

Shells at that price may make me take a look a second look at factory 12 gauge reloads, as lead is at $23 a bag and rising.



I've had more than a few ask me about IE 7 and how its slowing access to web pages.

It's the phishing shield that is slowing down your page loads.

Microsoft has released an update for Internet Explorer that fixes a problem with the browser's phishing shield.

I installed the fix, but if it speeds up a page load, it's not by much.

Skeet and referees

Volunteer or paid referees?

A topic that can bring forth much discussion.

Many clubs no longer hold registered events because of referee issues.

Each region has its own issues in regard to skeet referees. If a club has issues with the state association in regard to referee requirements, then maybe it's time to revisit the issue.

I say if you don't have enough referees going in, than limit the number of shooters.

That statement alone brings comments that "I don't understand or I'm not aware"

What I do understand or I'm aware of is that I've attended a number of shoots where the club was in over its head, as they did not have enough in-house help.

If several of us did not volunteer to pull a squad or two, the last squads would have been shooting in darkness. Many times I heard, "your squad will go out when xxx gets done shooting". That's not the way to run a shoot.

A number of member owned clubs don’t have the volunteer base to hold a three-rotation per gun shoot.

Just because you have three or four fields, does not mean you can sign up forty or fifty shooters, and hope for the best.

If you don’t have the help, you don’t have the help...

9:30 a.m. on the first day of a shoot is not the time to be looking for someone to take out the squad for field #3.

If you have to limit the shoot to the first twenty shooters, limit the shoot.

Most of us don’t mind helping out when a short term scheduling problem comes up, but we do mind, when surprise, surprise we better jump in and lend a hand or it’s going to be a long day, and shoot management knew that going in, but ignored the realities.

At a minimum, may I suggest a paragraph in the shoot program is necessary when the club plans on soliciting assistance and asking shooters to take out a squad during the course of the shoot.

Two clubs that I'm aware of have it on the shoot flyer.

We know we most likely will end up taking out a squad, and have no problem with it. As if we did, we would just pass on the shoot.

Yes, a few shooters will not attend when they know the club may be short handed, but the club will be better off and shooters that do attend will know the score going in and not resent having to lend a hand.

My own club has a serious volunteer problem. My wife and I do not shoot at are own shoots, as we each take out a minimum of four squads per day.

May I suggest its time hire referees to augment the volunteers, or go completely with paid referees.

$5 fee per entry for paid referees is the norm.

Too expensive you say, than what is your solution?

Some clubs don't pay referees outright, but allow shooters to shoot for free if they take out a few squads.

Sunday, December 17, 2006

Last turkey shoot of the year

We put together a squad and attended the annual Underhill Rod & Gun Club turkey shoot. Four shooters from New York and one from Montreal.

A rough ride over on the Vermont ferry, as waves were coming over the sides of the boat and covering the cars located at the front with water.

Of course, my vehicle was one of the vehicles getting the free car wash. Not to bad for this time of the year, as if you have sub zero temperatures with that type of wave action, you have to knock the sheet of ice covering the vehicle before you can drive off.

A nice crowd at the club with sixty in attendance.

Mild and in the upper 40's but dark and overcast. By 2pm it lightened up considerable. The last squads out had the advantage.

I went with a clear lens, but the orange targets at times seemed too turn gray against the background. A bit of sunshine would have been more than welcomed.

The 5-stand saw a number of shooters who had never shot it before and I think they all enjoyed the experience.

The club has an early cut off for registration, and in turn we all went home at a reasonable time.

Wednesday, December 13, 2006

Tree stand hunting

In the news...

A Jasper, Ind. man was found dead at Patoka Lake Reservoir Wednesday night, after he apparently fell from a tree stand and suffocated while he was hunting.

The Volusia County Sheriff's Office is investigating the death of a hunter who was killed Friday after apparently falling from his perch in a tree stand.

Tree stand accidents are the number one cause of hunting-related accidents in Illinois.

In recent years, several New York State hunters died as a result of falls.

A delayed report from state police at Campbellsburg says a Louisville man fell about 20 feet from a deer stand and died while hunting last weekend in Henry County.

One of Patrick Crisci’s Iowa doctors told him he’d like to go gambling with the Sabula hunter who walked away after falling 25 feet out of a deer stand over the weekend.

Since 2000, at least 129 people have been seriously injured in Minnesota using deer stands and another six died, according to the Minnesota Department of Health. Numbers may be higher, because hospital emergency rooms use an international coding system, and there is no code for tree stand injuries. Common injuries include broken bones, spinal cord injuries and brain damage.

This year in North America, 300 to 500 hunters will be killed from falls from deer stands. Another 5,000 to 7,000 will be permanently disabled and 10,000 to 15,000 will receive some type of minor injury. Some of these injuries will be brain injuries.

Accidents & Tree Stands

NSSA membership card revisited

A reader contacted the NSSA and received the following email in regard to the previous posting in regard to the new NSSA membership card.


The new membership card was not meant to replace the imprint card. The imprint card was not a membership card. An NSSA membership card is to be used when proof of membership is required when using or purchasing items from sponsors like John Deere or Exide Batteries. An NSSA membership card is of little use when registering for a tournament because a shooter must present his classification card. This is a skeet rule requirement and one’s card should contain up to date information about his previous scores. The mynssa website cannot be as up to date as a class card because it takes more than a week, on the average, to get the scores to us for posting.

You will note that an imprint card does not have a date one it and one cannot prove that he/she is a current member of NSSA with it. The membership card does have a date and will be a different color each year and can be used as proof of membership.

I would hope that everyone would accept the membership card for what it is, not as a replacement for the imprint card.



Carl Hensch

Tuesday, December 12, 2006

Youth rate

My home club recently implemented a youth shooting rate for those 17 and younger, at $2.50 per round. Adults shoot skeet and trap for $3.50 per round.

I'd seen reduced priced shooting at the 1000 Islands club and also at a few other clubs in my travels and saw it was a win, win situation.

We talked it up at the club and several of us pushed for it at a club meeting where it passed without opposition. I was told by two shooters they had never heard of a youth rate and thought it was a great idea.

No harm to the club, and maybe dad or grandad will be more inclined to bring the young ones down to the club. The current vice president of the club was a youth shooter!

The home club is going to need major monies in the upcoming year, as its being forced to relocate. If all works out, I see a time when the club will also offer reduced price shooting for those 17 and younger, who take part in registered shoots at the club.

I wish for the club to make only minimum profit on targets from youth who shoot at the club, whether for practice or registered shooting.

As a side note, the club also has an indoor range and charges $5. We also implemented the $2.50 charge for those 17 and younger.

I know a number of clubs who don't have any youth shooters to speak of.

Maybe a youth rate is the way to go...

Sunday, December 10, 2006

Sunday at the Montreal club

We attended the annual turkey shoot at the Montreal Skeet Club today.

I was heading out by myself, but when my wife saw how mild the weather was, she decided to make the trip.

A drive of 1hr 40 min.

As usually, crossing the border into Canada was not a problem.

In the low 40's and overcast for most of the day, but we did have a few sunny periods. I think a wind from the west.

I had my camera with me, but the memory stick was at home : (

I usually carry extra memory and a spare camera, but all were sitting at home next to the reloader.

Ann LaBrecquel bailed me out and took a number of photographs. She will be sending me the photos for posting.

My wife and I both shot skeet and 5-stand, and I also took part in the trap event.

My high score was in trap.

Not to happy with my skeet shooting, but more than happy with the trap score.

I had made major changes to my shooting style in trap this year, and after not shooting trap for more than six weeks, I see I was correct in the decisions I made, as I shot a 24 in the first round, and dropped three in the second.

I shot skeet with Max Lemay from the Valleyfield club. He said the 2007 Quebec Skeet Provincial would take place on August 24-26 and once again be hosted by his club.

It also seems the Montreal club will have a sporting clays league this winter. If any club in Quebec had such a winter league in the past, it was before my time.

I also found out that six Canadian shooters would be attending the 2007 World Police & Firemen Games being held in Australia.

I had done research this past year on whether a semi-auto could be transported to Australia for use in the games, and find that it could be done. I had received a RCMP pin from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police a few years back for my contibution to shooting sports in Canada, and it was the least I could do when the question was posed and I did not have the answer. It took several emails, but I finally made contact with an official in Australia that had all the answers.

Sixty two (62) shooters took part in today's shoot.

Olympic bunker trap and trap doubles were also offered, but I passed, as last year I shot all events and ended up at the doctors office the next day, as my back went out.

I think we spent more time talking than shooting, as many old friends were in attendance.

We left early, but we're given a turkey to take home.

Crossing the border saw the serial numbers on two shotguns checked. No big deal.

Next Sunday is the Underhill shoot in Vermont...

Saturday, December 09, 2006

NSSA membership card

NSSA has included a new type of membership card in the 2007 Classification Card mailing.

No mention if this card is to replace the plastic credit card presently being used.

Hang on to your old card.

The old style card allowed for the use of an imprinter, the new one does not. Clubs still recording shooters manually may not be to happy with this development.

May it be the NSSA is indirectly forcing clubs to computerize there shoot operations?

If so, it would have been nice if they included a scan bar on the new card, so a club could use a card reader, like the ones you see at any checkout counter.

If the NSSA wants all clubs to computerize, maybe they should pay the first $50 on any shoot software purchased, or forgive one year of club membership.

Or, this may be all about nothing and just a card to prove current membership for those who use computer generated classification sheets.

To bad the NSSA did not provide guidance...

Friday, December 08, 2006

Odds & Ends

I had a correspondence from an English shooter who advised that some telephone numbers I had posted on the Form 6 page of the Lost Target were no longer active.

He was kind of enough to provide the new numbers and saved me the time of doing the research.

More than a few shooters in the past have pointed out changes in regulations or points of contact information, and its appreciated.

I do a lot of reading and research, but it's almost impossible to keep up with all the changes and/or I overlook an area that needs updating.

Feel free to question any information I have posted, if you know or feel that it's not correct or outdated. It's your site, as much as it is mine!


In the next several months clubs will be putting together shoot schedules for 2007.

Just don't put out shoot dates and then five months later start canceling shoots.

It's bad enough to cancel, but some clubs don't even update the clubs website to show the shoot was canceled. I guess they figure by some magic all shooters in the world will be notified.

I know of one shooter who confirmed a club was having a shoot, but the next month a decision was made to cancel, and he showed up at the club : (

If in doubt, don't put it out.


Some shooters have a poor opinion of the NRA.

I gather its because the NRA defends all firearm owners, not just shooters who use a shotgun or hunting rifle.

In Canada, shotgun and rifles owners never thought the government was going to come after them, as handguns owners were licensed and all handguns were registered with the federal government. Most crimes were carried out with handguns and there was no reason to require the registration of long guns.

The Liberals took power and on the first opportunity presented, implemented licensing and and long gun registration at the Federal level.

Canada did not have the NRA to protect them!

As for those that say as long as I can take my firearm to the range or go hunting, most laws are reasonable. I guess you just don't get it and never will...


I still like the idea of target counters at shooting clubs.

I've used a key target system in skeet and I think its called the ClayMate in sporting clays, and I can see the merit in there use.

Can the systems be beat, I'm sure they can, but do we need that type of shooter?

If he's trying to beat a target counter system, imagine what he's doing at clubs where the number of targets shot is on the honor system...

Wednesday, December 06, 2006

Cutting the cost of practice

It's ironic, one of the most expensive shells to purchase is .410 ammunition, but during this period of component price increases, especially the price of lead, the .410 may be the shell of choice for skeet shooters who reload and watching the dollar.

25lbs Lead

    350 loads - 1 1/8 12 gauge
    400 loads - 1oz 12 gauge
    450 loads - 20 gauge
    525 loads - 28 gauge
    800 loads - .410
If you've been shooting 1oz loads, you can load 400 more shells per bag of shot just by shooting the .410 for practice, not even taking into account the savings on powder.

I don't think many will turn completely to the .410 for practice, and its not a good idea anyway, but I can see many throwing a few boxes in the bag each week, or every other week being a .410 practice week.

It seems that reloading for many sporting clays shooters is not even a consideration, as many don't think twice about buying a case of factory. Well, it is for this shooter...

Some load 7/8 ounce in the 12, and most report no decrease in scores. This could be the way to go.

I can see reloading 28 gauge #8's for sporting clays practice, as I can reload for under $3 a box. I have a set of lite mod chokes for my tube set that work pretty well on courses where IC choke is all you need when shooting the 12.

I also might give the same load a try at 16-yard trap and see how it goes. A few years back someone was pushing the 28 gauge as a sub gauge event in the ATA, but it never got off the ground. More than a few trap shooters have 28 gauge tubes.

For the 12 & 20 I was thinking of going to a cheaper primer, but I still see conflicting information on the talk boards. I think I'm going to have some serious discussions over the winter with different shooters and see what is working and what problems I can expect to run into.

Tuesday, December 05, 2006

Women and shooting

More women are taking up the shotgun sports each year, especially in sporting clays.

I see women in skeet and trap, but they are out in force at many sporting clay ranges.

Many times I see women who's guns don't fit, and a vest that was borrowed.

We've all seen the guy at the range with his girlfriend. The lady shooting his heavy shotgun, with 1 1/8 loads purchased on the cheap at Wal-Mart.

The pounding she takes : (

The next day she has a red mark on the face and a nice bruise on the shoulder.

Not much chance she will be back...

My wife shoots, and through her I see the problems women have in finding proper clothing and a good fitting shotgun.

A mans vest and shooting gloves just don't make it...

As for a shotgun, my wife has never owned a gun that did not have to have the stock shortened. 13 1/2-inch length-of-stock pull is in the neighborhood of what many women would be looking at.

She is also more comfortable with a raised comb, such as you would see on a Monte Carlo stock. Women have a longer neck. An adjustable comb may be the easiest way to go.

With a well fitting shotgun and proper vest, a women can shoot comfortable, even the 12 gauge.

I recommend women do a bit of upper body conditioning if they wish to get into shooting.

Most women at first just don't have the upper body strength to shoot more than a few stations without getting worn out. They need to get ready for lifting a seven or nine pound shotgun, not once or twice, but for a complete round.

Even if its just mounting the shotgun five minutes, three or five days a week, it will make a big difference when they go to the range.

A light weight shotgun may sound like a good idea, but the heavier the gun you can handle, the less felt recoil, especially in an over/under or pump. A six pound hunting gun may not be the way you want to go...

The Lost Target links page has a section dedicated to women clothing and shotguns.

I also included a link to an article on gun fit for women.

Women Clothing & Shotguns

Saturday, December 02, 2006

Barack Obama to ban Remington 1100

As posted previously, Liberals in Canada have voted to support the banning of semi-automatic weapons.

This means the Remington and Berretta line of semi-autos would be banned in Canada.

Unitied States Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama also supports such a ban.

Barack Obama on Gun Control - Democratic Jr Senator (IL)

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
    Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.

    Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.

    Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

At some point, I'm sure he will issue a clarification and state he only wants to ban semi-automtic weapons that are dangerous and not used by hunters and sport shooters, as he will quickly realize he cannot take a public position on the banning of the Remington 1100, as he would not be elected.

Don't be see surprised to see a list of semi-automatics that he deems exceptable...

If elected president, do you think he would not sign a bill to ban semi-automatic weapons, if given the opportunity?

For those that consider themselfs moderates on firearm laws and consider the NRA too far right, and not willing to compromise...

I assume that as long as you can keep YOUR GUN, you will vote for Barack Obama.

Where the Liberals are going with this, and it may take them 50 years, is that all hunters and targets shooters will use a bolt action rifle or a hinged shotgun. Handguns owners will be limited to a revolver or a single shot handgun.

Give an inch...

Friday, December 01, 2006

Radar gun at your club

I've shot at more than a few clubs in both skeet and trap, where targets were set with a radar gun.

The radar gun is a great tool and all clubs should have one for both skeet and trap.

Many clubs don't have level terrain or are unable to stake out each field. The radar gun levels the playing field.

However, I've come to the conclusion that a few have no idea what they are doing.

Skeet has doubles, and you know right off the bat from where your shooting the second target on doubles, whether the target speed is set correctly. I don't care what the guy setting the field says. I know what I know. That is, if you've been practicing at your home club that has the fields staked correctly.

Traps a little harder for me to tell, but as most shooters, after a few shots, I know where we stand in regard to target speed.

I assume the height pole is the key to setting targets, as when setting a field manually, the spring is not changed until the height is correct.

In any case, does the person at your club know what he's doing when it comes to setting targets with a radar gun?

Each brand of radar gun is not the same and you pay for what you get.

For trap, some brands require you to be at the house and others may allow for use from the pads.

What does the manufacturer for your radar gun recommend?

Maybe a quick read on the NSSA and ATA web sites on how to use a radar gun would be in order...

Wednesday, October 11, 2006

Browning firing pin

I was cleaning the trigger group today and decided to pop the firing pins and give that area a good cleaning.

The bottom pin was pitted : (

I did research on the Internet and saw recommendations to also replace the hammer spring when replacing firing pins, so I ordered both, along with spares, to include a firing pin and hammer spring for the upper barrel.

One poster said he replaced both every year. I think that's excessive, but nothing wrong with having spares on hand when and if you start to have failures to fire.

It could not have been more than two years ago that I had the firing pins replaced, so it was a surprise to see the pitting.

90% of the ammunition shot has been with Winchester primers.

I've read different theory's on why the bottom barrel firing pin goes bad and it either has to do with the angle it set at, too various primers that are either to hard or to soft, or it's the metal the primer base is make of. You pick the one that you think fits.

Anyone can replace the firing pins on a Browning CITORI O/U. You will need a small punch.

Remove the hammer springs first. They pop out, use needle nose pliers.

The big thing is the firing pin retaining pins that hold the firing pins in place are meant to only be pushed out in one direction. The pins have a knurled end to keep them in place. This knurled end must come out first. The upper retaining pin should be driven from right to left when removing, and the lower, from left to right.

You could mark the tops (flush part) of the retaining pin with pencil lead if you wish.

The bottom firing pin also has a spring in the cavity and you may want to also replace it or at least have a spare. The top firing pin does not have a spring.

The bottom barrel firing pin goes for $9.89 and the hammer spring is $4.99. The upper firing pin is $0.40 less.

Friday, September 22, 2006

Remington 1100 malfunction

In the last several month at various clubs I've seen a number of Remington 1100's stop working as they would not cycle the second shell into the chamber.

The 1100's fault?

I don't think so...

When opened, each had so much excess oil that the oil was dripping off the parts, and talk about dirt build up : (

One shooter looked rather surprised when we removed the Action Bar Sleeve. I gather he did not know that it could be removed. I can imagine what his trigger looked like.

A couple guns needed "O" ring replacement.

Shoot them wet or dry, an argument can be made either way. I shoot dry using Break Free.

Shooting them wet does not mean you spray half a can of oil into the gun and start shooting.

Also, the magazine tube needs to free of buildup. I use very fine steel wool.

Sometimes as a group we can get the gun working, but most times we just don't have the time, as the gun needs to be stripped down and given a good cleaning, as a quick wipe down and a shot of "oil" will just not do it.

As for those who say they should have purchased a Berreta.

I've seen a number of feeding problems with them also at various shoots, but as I have no experience with them. I leave it to the experts to get them working.

I suspect even with the Berreta, it helps to give them a proper cleaning after a day at the range.

Monday, September 18, 2006

Ten shots per post

At some ATA trap tournaments you shoot ten shells per post. Five shots per post is the norm.

The reason it's done is to move the game along at a faster pace so the club can put through more shooters in a given time period.

Anyway, that's the goal.

I've only shot ten at a post once and it wasn't too bad, but...

If your young and want to get into a good rhythm it's great, but if your older you have no time to recover, as your shooting fifty shells in a very short time and if you have any conditioning or medical problems they are sure to surface at some point.

If you don't mind shooting on a short squad of three shooters at five shots per post, than ten to a post will be no big deal, but if you don't like that type of pace, than ten per post is not for you.

Monday, August 14, 2006

Skeet is easier then trap

I've heard tell that skeet is easier then trap.

Let's see, American trap has only one machine that has been dummied down in the last ten years to throw a narrower target then was seen by previous generations of shooters. The old three hole standard is pretty much a thing of the past.

Yes, skeet does not have a machine that moves left to right, but a skeet shooter is shooting targets thrown from two machines.

Many trap shooters will only shoot at White Flyer's, as they seem to think shooting at other brands of target will lower scores. I know of one club that used to stock two target brands. The no name brand for practice and White Flyer's for registered shoots.

If any change in conditions take place, trap shooters immediately ask for the targets to be reset. In skeet, once the fields are set under no wind conditions, the only requirement is for targets to go through the hoop. Try shooting skeet on a windy day with both targets doing their dance!

In trap, you shoot and shoot with a good rhythm established and no break in action other then a quick move to the next station.

God forbid if you say one word or your not ready to shoot!

In skeet, two minutes may go by before your able to shoot at the next station.

Trap shooting requires a special shotgun in order to shoot with the big boys (and girls) as your always shooting at a raising target. The average trap gun is not often seen at the local bird hunt.

Yes, trap shooting has handicap shooting, but skeet shooters have the .410.

In trap shooting, a move is on to move back to the 30 yard line for handicap shooting, as some perceive the game at 27 yards to easy...

Yes, registered trap has more shooters then skeet and sporting clays, but it may not be for the reason that many think... Could it be that it's perceived as an eaiser game to master?

The bottom line at a major tournament is for both trap and skeet, if you drop one bird your just shooting for fun!

Not so in the game of Sporting Clays...

Saturday, August 12, 2006

Making triacetone triperoxide

I looked it up on the internet and found out how to make the bombs that the terrorist were going to use against the airlines.

It's called triacetone triperoxide and this is what you need.

1. Hydrogen peroxide (used at home to bleach hair or clean wounds)

2. Acetone (nail polish remover)

3. Sulfuric acid (car batteries)

It also helps to have ice on hand and a refrigerator.

Any high school drop out can make it, and as far as I can tell from my readings if not mixed until arriving at the planned detonation point, undetectable by bomb detectors.

It's rather popular in the Middle East and has been used for some time. It's rather unstable and bomb makers in Lebanon can be identified by the burn marks on their bodies or the missing fingers and/or hands.

One future scenario is for the "bad guys" (it's not political correct to call them Muslim extremist) is too refine the products separately and place each in a condom, swallow them, and then combine the ingredients at the detonation site.

So much for security checks at the airports, and God forbid if we racial profile, monitor bank accounts, or listen in on phone conversations of those linked to Islamic fascism.

As you know, the New York Times would not approve.

Did I mention that a detonator is not required. Friction or a slight heat source will set if off.

Monday, August 07, 2006

Posting of shoot results

A number of emails asking for the shoot results for the New York Sporting Clays Championships.

When I talked in the AM on Sunday they had the intentions of posting them to Shotgun Sports Sunday after the completion of the shoot. It seems they had a problem of some sort and made a posting saying the scores would not be available until Monday.

Sounds fair to me.

When I see the link with the scores I will post it to the photo page for the shoot.

I had offered to the lady working the desk to post the scores to the photo page that I set up for the shoot.

Maybe 40% of the time does someone send me the results to go along with the photos I've posted. If a club has a website I try to link back to the club site so results can be viewed.

As for quickly posting scores to the internet... Many sporting clay shoots have them up within 24 hours.

First, clubs need to make sure it has it all sorted out properly, especially in regard to punches. A quick posting of results when someone has not sat back and checked them a second time does no one any good.

Second, at many clubs it's a volunteer situation and some people have to work for a living.

They may not get a chance to do a posting until Monday after work, especially if there was any un-resolved issues with the shoot and it ran late.

Not all clubs have internet access on the grounds.

Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Setting skeet targets

I've touched on this in the past and I will probable do so again in the future, but some clubs just cannot seem to get targets set correctly for registered skeet.

The best targets I shot this year was at the Fairfield club in Connecticut. I shot on four fields and the target setting was the same from field to field. The targets were right on the money. It was a pleasure to shoot at the club and I will be making a return visit.

This is the exception and not the norm at many clubs.

One problem is target distance (speed of target). I suspect that some clubs don't have the distance markers set correctly. I shot at one club in 2005 where the low house distance stake was off by five yards. I assume the lawn mower guy knocked it over and at the end of the day he just placed it where he thought it should go, maybe it was knocked down several times over a summer or two, but I will never know. All I know is the stake was not at the correct distance and it was a tough 100 targets. One of the shooters when we finished walked off the distance and discovered the problem.

Three or four yards can make a big difference in target speed. Get the tape measure out and check the distance to the stake, don't assume!

Second and most likely, is that target distances are not set under NO WIND conditions, something that cannot always be accomplished the day of the shoot because of winds.

If you have to chase after the second target on doubles on station 2 or 6, we have a problem. And, if a 15mph wind is blowing and the high house bird is hitting the distance stake with the target going into the wind, we have a problem.

Someone has to get down to the club a few days before the shoot when the wind is not blowing and check to see that targets are going through the middle of the hoop and hitting the bottom of the distance stake on all fields. After that, you don't let anyone mess with the spring just because the wind is blowing and the targets are falling short or going past the distance stake. Check the rules if you think I don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaking of the hoop. Make sure it's at the correct height. I shot at one club where it was to short.... I finally took a tape measure out to show the club they had a problem.

One last problem at some clubs. Slanted or tilted pads. Please get someone to level the pads. Two people with a long pipe, a 2x4, shovel, and gravel can level a pad in five minutes.

Tuesday, May 16, 2006


A new addition to the site. I'm sure I will have some growing pains...

Lost Target Photographs

Read Me File

This is not meant to replace what I do off the main page on the Lost Target, it's just a little extra for those who have several photos they would like to post, but don't think it warrents a full photo spread.

Excellent in skeet or trap for the shooter who shot his first 25 straight, or for posting a photo of your squad, or the gang shooting 5-stand or what have you. Shot that deer or turkey, post a photo for all to see!