Saturday, May 31, 2008

Shooting ranges in Europe

Alexander von Wenzl provided me a number of Google Maps that display locations of shooting ranges in various European countries.

I put up a page so all could share.

Not all are clay target shooting clubs.

I can't answer any questions on clubs listed. You will have to make further inquires on your own.

I also posted links to a number of Federations/Associations.

If you have any problems with languages I suggest you use the Google webpage translator.

Shooting Ranges of Europe

Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Joyce Foundation (Obama) funds gun-control

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that Pennsylvania's largest gun control group, CeaseFirePA, is getting a $350,000 grant to strengthen its advocacy efforts statewide.

The Chicago-based Joyce Foundation is granting the organization the money over two years to aid its bid to build a statewide, grass-roots response to gun violence, CeaseFirePA's executive director Joe Grace said.

From a previous posting...

Obama thinks gun owners are stupid

Barack Obama says he believes the Constitution protects gun owners rights and that he doesn’t want to take away their guns.

But before he became a national political figure, he sat on the board of the Joyce Foundation, which paid him more than $70,000 in directors fees.

The Chicago-based foundation doled out at least nine grants totaling nearly $2.7 million to groups that advocated the opposite positions.

The foundation funded legal scholarship advancing the theory that the Second Amendment does not protect individual gun owners’ rights, as well as two groups that advocated handgun bans. It also paid to support a book called “Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.”

During Obama’s time on the Joyce board, the foundation gave seven grants to the Violence Policy Center. This D.C.-based nonprofit, which calls itself “the most aggressive group in the gun control movement,” for years has argued for a national handgun ban.

The Joyce Foundation in 1999 awarded $84,000 to the Chicago-Kent College of Law for a symposium on the theory that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual’s right to bear arms, but rather only a state’s right to arm its militia.

Saturday, May 17, 2008

Liberals and guns

As the election draws near Liberals have cast their support of the Second Amendment in terms of protecting a right to hunt — and ignore the right to self-defense.

Obama stated there is an individual right to bear arms, but it is subject to common-sense regulation, just like most of our rights are subject to common-sense regulation."

He explained what he means by common-sense regulation, “I think that local jurisdictions have the capacity to institute their own gun laws . . .

Common-sense regulation from a Liberals Point of View:

Pay a reasonable annual registration fee, per firearm...

Be in possession of a license approved by local officials...

Guns in the home must be disassembled...

Safe storage...

Transported securely to and from the range...

Use ammunition approved by the government...

Use firearms in areas not designated Gun Free zones...

And, firearms must be from the same period as when the 2nd Amendment was written...

Thursday, May 15, 2008

Fair price to charge for 5-stand?

We were discussing 5-stand and the price a club was charging.

A few shooters were not happy with the price being charged, as they thought they should pay the same as skeet and trap shooters or just a little more.

From my perspective the club was not charging enough. I said the club was probable losing money or at least not maintaining the same profit margin as seen in skeet and trap.

I got the "eye" roll...


- Five to twelve show targets depending on number of machines. Not every squad takes them, but they do add.

- You always get "can I see one more".

- If a no bird, targets must be repeated. 5-stand is mostly report pairs or doubles. Broken targets and/or machine problems can quickly add to the number of targets thrown.

- Cost to purchase specialty targets, such as those used in a rabbit machine.

- At the end of a round, shooters asking to re-shoot a certain presentation, or two, or three.


- Electrical cost compared to skeet and trap. The more machines the higher the cost.

- Annual cost of spare parts.

- It takes longer to recoup the cost of a machine.


- Not a factor at most volunteer clubs, but unlike skeet and trap at least one person has to be launching targets. We got away from this in trap and as long as two shooters in skeet, a non-issue.

- Moving targets to each machine

- Loading machines.

- It takes longer to open and close the 5-stand field.

Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Inflation and clay target prices

Is the club holding the line on raising the price of targets?

Falling on there sword to keep it affordable for all members, especially those on fixed incomes?

Have you taking dollar inflation into consideration, the hidden cost.

Revenue loses may be greater than the club thinks...

In 2005, a club charged $12 per 100 targets ($3 per round of 25).

Using a federal inflation calculator, in 2008 dollars, the club should be charging $13.12 per 100, just to keep up with inflation.

The club is actually losing $1.12 per hundred from what was charged in 2005 if prices were not raised to account for dollar inflation.

Now, add in current cost to purchase targets, maintenance of machines, and grounds upkeep.

The same dollar inflation is also happening each time you don't raise membership fees or fees for using other ranges on the club.

Monday, May 12, 2008

George Digweed, 2008 All Around Champion

It was not decided until late Sunday, but George Digweed won the 900 Bird tournament by beating Scott Robertson and pulling a head by three targets on the last event.

A clay target shoot comprising all clay target shooting disciplines and live bird shooting.

$5,000 entry fee.

This event is not to decide who is the best skeet, trap or sporting clays shooter but who is the best overall shooter in the world.

Shoot Results



Saturday, May 10, 2008

Underhill 50/50 Shoot

A first of it's kind shoot at the Underhill Rod & Gun Club.

50 5-stand targets and 50 sporting targets.

The Vermont club has a 5-stand (9 machines), but no sporting clays course.

The solution...

They placed seven stations on or about the clubs two remaining skeet fields, putting together a rather impressive sporting clays course.

Smart use of the terrain was evident, making for interesting target presentations.

The club did not take the easy route and only two permanent positioned machines were used. The machine in the trap house on the middle field and the machine in the low house on the remaining skeet field to the right. All other machines were positioned as you would expect on a sporting course.

The trap threw a true pair with the station located near skeet station #3.

The clubs use of the low house skeet machine. Check the top photo to estimate distance and height.

In the mid 60's with a light breeze for the later squads.

Volunteers were out in force, with shooters from all disciplines lending a hand.

One or two battery operated machines might have given them a bit more flexibility, but overall a good course that would satisfy most shooters.

AA Shooter BoB Howard (HOA) scored 80x100, so not a skeet in the woods type course.

Shoot Photos

Thursday, May 08, 2008

Customs Form 4457 & TSA Recognized Baggage Locks

Thanks to Jerry Mathias for bringing to my attention that CBP Form 4457, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Certificate of Registration For Personal Effects Taken Abroad is now available for download.

This is the form used by U.S. Customs to document firearms (and other high valued items) being temporally taken out of the country.

This form is what allows you to re-enter the US with your firearm.

I've updated the pages that reflected the forms use and provided a link for download.

Make sure you have customs sign off on the form prior to you leaving the states.

A quick, one time requirement!


I contacted the TSA in regard to flying with firearms and asked:

Can TSA Recognized Baggage Locks be used to secure checked baggage containing a firearm?

Or, do these locks conflict with the rule that only the passenger has the key and/or combination.

I received an email response:


UPDATE 11 Dec 2009

I contacted the TSA in regard to TSA Recognized Baggage Locks and firearms:

Question: Can TSA Recognized Baggage Locks be used to secure checked baggage containing a firearm?

I received an email response (Dec 9, 2009):

Thank you for your e-mail about using Transportation Security Administration (TSA)-recognized locks to secure firearm cases.

Passengers may use TSA-recognized locks to secure firearm cases.

However, TSA does not recommend or endorse any specific brand or type of lock to use on firearm containers.


I've updated the "Firearm Laws" page.

Now separated into ten individual pages. Much easier to find what your looking for using the drop down menu.

Besides reading the law, I closely watch postings on talk boards and try to incorporate the real world into guidance given.

Flying with Firearms and Shipping Firearms make a good read and probable of the most interest.


I was asked how many firearms (long guns) a visitor can take into Canada?

You can document three guns on one form for $25.

A continuation sheet is available if you have more than three firearms.

The permit is good for 90 days.

Handguns is near impossible!


Lead closed at $1.048 on the U.S. spot market.

At some point this may be reflected in shot prices, but with the cost of fuel....


A quick check of ammunition prices at a Wal-Mart in Vermont today showed prices remaining steady.

Value packs are still a good deal!

Sunday, May 04, 2008

Vt 50/50 sporting shoot is 10 May

Underhill Rod & Gun Club is holding it's 50/50 sporting clays/5-stand shoot on Saturday, May 10th.

This Vermont club has a very competitive 5-stand, but for the first time sporting clays will be attempted.

The club does not have room for a course and will convert two skeet fields into a sporting clays course for the day.

The concept of using a combination skeet/trap field as a sporting clay course works well at Josée, a club in Quebec, Canada. They have been doing this for years.

I posted the Josée club shoots in the past and this link should give you a good photo view of the concept.

Hat's off to a small club with a big heart!

The only downside for the Underhill club is that a charity shoot has been scheduled at L'Acadie. This will certainly impact the shoot as a number Canadians who were thinking of attending have decided to shoot for charity. Hopefully, the shoot will pull a squad or two.

Arrive early, as I have no idea where they will park vehicles if they have a huge turnout.


Gamaliel Shooting Supply has Eagle Shot Magnum back in stock.

$41 a bag.

I picked up the same brand last weekend in Western New York for $35.75 a bag.

I don't know if they give clubs deals for orders by the pallet, but it can't hurt to ask.

Lawrence Magnum is selling for $44 a bag.


The Palatka club in Florida announced they will be charging a member rate of $4 a round. An increase of $.50.

Still very reasonable by Florida standards.

The work on re-activating the lone trap field is also seeing progress.


So we don't lose the history, I've included a dedicated section on the main page of the Lost Target for posting of articles on Obama and guns.

We don't want "bitter" gun owners to forget come the general election....


My sporting clays scores have been steadily decreasing the past few months.

An at home eye test shows the right eye is not seeing things clearly at distance.

Eye exam schedule for June.

I have Decot frames and lenses at the present.

I'm looking at the Panther glasses with Rx Insert by Hidefspex, but that's a serious investment and don't know if I could pull the trigger on a purchase.

You do get three lenses, and in the future all you need to worry about is updating your RX on the clear lens.


I combined three Vermont shooting sites into one.

Clays Vermont

From my end much easier to maintain.

Only time will tell if I made the correct decision.