Thursday, July 31, 2008

Big Box Store Clay Target Purchases

For those who puchase targets for home use...

Case of 90:

$6.87 White Flyer (Walmart)

$6.99 Remington STS (Dicks)

$5.95 Champion (Gander Mountain) * While they last.


135 count is a regular case of targets.

135 x 2 cases = 270 targets

90 x 3 cases = 270 targets

Gander usually sells 135 case count Champion but I did not see them on this visit. I have also seen 135 case count White Flyer at Walmart in the past.

Tuesday, July 29, 2008

Jul 27 @ Montreal Sporting Clays

The Lost Target Sporting Clays Fun Shoot was held at the Montreal Skeet Club. The club is located southwest of Montreal, Canada.

From the house, south of the border, a 1hr 40min drive.

Saturday saw rains for most of the day, but on Sunday clear skies and for the most part the course had dried.

The Montreal Skeet Club and Challenger Shells are considered one in the same in this part of the world and both my wife and I were provided Challenger shells for the shoot.

Club owner Elie Zarife had taken the next step in regard to target presentations.

The best seen in recent memory!

Those who attended shoots in the past did not recognized the course.

Good job Elie....

Thanks to Fernando Pereira for taking the time to attend the shoot. He was hopping on a plane that very evening to visit and attend a clay target shoot in Portugal. He promised me photos from the shoot upon his return. Something for all of us to look forward to.

Several skeet shooters also stopped by to say hello!

At the end of the day Elie presented me a Commemorative knife and case provided by Browning Canada.

Joe Potosky & Elie Zarife

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A very nice gesture and totally unexpected.

A cash donation to the Lost Target was also presented.

Thanks to Elie, the staff at the Montreal Skeet Club, Browning Canada, and shooters for taking the time to recognize my support of the clay target sports in Quebec and Canada through my network of Lost Target websites and posted pages of shoot photographs and guidance provided for crossing the border with firearms and other information relative to the shooting sports.

Shoot Photos

Jul 26 @ Sunset Farm Elks Benefit Shoot

Four of us drove down to the Rocky Mountain Elks Benefit Shoot held at Sunset Farm Sporting Clays in Delanson, New York.

A 9:30am shotgun start required a 5:45 departure from home, as it's a 2hr:45min drive and registration opens at 9am.

In the low 80's but a slight wind made it comfortable to shoot and helped keep the bugs away.

A number of stations saw a combination of hand traps and battery operated machines.

This works well and recommended for clubs who have a limited number of battery operated machines. I'd rather see this setup than six stations with all battery operated machines and the rest all hand traps.

Each squad was assigned a trapper who only payment was the split from the community tip jar. If your asking, $5 should be a minimum tip per shooter and $10 would not be excessive. A number of shooters gave $20. With only the one start time and no opportunity for the trapper to make additional money, I recommend you tip on the high side so they have a desire (incentive) to work the next shoot.

A nice mix of presentations with stations in open fields and others along the wood line.

One rabbit station was a true double off a hand trap, with shooters standing on an elevated platform. I took a video of the rabbit presentation.

I wasn't keeping track but I think each station was sponsored by a different business.

Not a difficult course to walk. I don't think cart rentals were available.

The price of the shoot included a steak dinner. All shooters received a goody bag.

Shoot Photos

As a side note. I was going to shoot skeet doubles in Vermont on Friday but we ran up to Canada that AM and picked the wrong border on are return as traffic was backed up. By the time we crossed it was not practical to make the drive to Vermont.

Thursday, July 24, 2008

TargetDust, Canada

TARGETDUST, a newsletter published four times a year, has been the voice of Canadian Skeet and the only publication who's sole purpose is to promote Skeet in Canada.

At the end of this year Canada may no longer have TARGETDUST unless someone steps forward to take the reins.


One or two energetic young skeet enthusiasts, to take-over from two crusty old veterans in the preparation, editing and publication of "CANADIAN TARGETDUST"

The hours are long and wages are non existent, but the rewards of knowing your preserving and promoting the great sport of skeet shooting in Canada has its own rewards.

Interested inquiries email: or


For those who might be interested, but intimated by the task of putting out a quarterly publication, maybe the time has come for a website edition; funded by clubs, businesses, and good friends of Canadian skeet shooting.

A central point for posting schedules, flyers, results, and articles of interest to include photographs. A listing of all skeet clubs in Canada, to include locations and points of contact.

Parts of this is already seen on some clubs websites or even province wide, but no website that I'm aware is solely dedicated to Canadian Skeet at the national level.

Other then agreeing on a format for submitting shoot flyer's and shoot reports, it would not be that difficult of an endeavor once the site was formated, but it will take dedication.

Will Canada have a TARGETDUST in 2009?

It's in your hands...

Tuesday, July 22, 2008

Observations from the Canadian Olympic Trap Championships

I had the pleasure last Thursday to be able to photograph one day of the Canadian National Trap (Olympic) Championships.

Shoot Photos

They used two bunkers with a third reserved for Doubles.

You shoot 25 targets and than the next squad takes the field. Once all competitors have shot at 25 targets you all move to the next field, or remain on the same field if a second is not available. Makes for a long day if a large number of shooters.

Considering the speed of the targets, you did not see excessive gun movement or anyone jumping a target. Smooth gun movement would be the word I would use.

Winchester, RIO, B&P, and Challenger were the shells of choice.

A 30" barrel seems to be the standard.

A few broken targets during the day but not enough to slow the pace. I suspect target handling was the result of any broken targets, as they did not seem to be machine specific and were low in numbers.

I think the computer controlled target release system worked flawlessly.

As in International Skeet, all took turns being a referee and keeping score.

I saw one person get visable upset almost everytime a target was missed. As in all the shooting sports, not something you would normally see in someone who hopes to be a top gun.

One shooter who wears contacts picked up an eye infection : (

In the championship round where your only allowed one shot per station, target misses were early on in the round. Watching the women, once they got in the one shot rhythm, they were getting center hits.

Susan Nattrass, Canadian Women Champion, said Club L'Acadie had the nicest bunker facilities in Canada. Susan will be representing Canada at the summer Olympics.

I meant a very nice family who are originally from Iran. One of my favorite countries (not the govenment) in the world. What a rich history...

I saw two Canadian news organizations at the shoot, with Susan Nattrass doing a live feed with the CBC, but I was unable to find one article posted to the internet in regard to the competion by any news organization.

My first effort posting video to YouTube. It will take three or four shoots to test the capability of the camera to find out what works and what doesn't.

Monday, July 21, 2008

Miranda Wilder, Bunker Trap

My friend Tom Baber from the Gator Club in Florida sent this to me and I thought I share it...

The first perfect Final Round for an American woman in Olympic Trap was recorded last Wednesday at the 2008 US Trap Championships in Colorado Springs.

Miranda Wilder of Diana Texas shot this record score to win the Woman’s Championship. Miranda, aged 14 bested a field of 29 shooters including former Olympians to win the Barbara Thomas Trophy symbolizing excellence in Olympic Trapshooting.

Olympic Trap is one of the most challenging clay target games. The course of fire is 25 targets from 15 individual traps. In the normal qualification shooters are allowed two shots at each target however for the final event only one shot is used. There have only been 4 perfect finals shot in this country and less that 20 worldwide.

Miranda began her shooting career at the Gator Skeet and Trap Club in Gainesville Florida.


SunBuster Shooting Glasses (Part 2)

UPS delivered the prescription lens inserts to complete my SunBuster package.

SunBuster shooting glasses ship with five different non-prescription ColorCorrect lenses; Crimson Brown, Orange, Yellow, Medium Purple and Light Vermillion.

The clear prescription lens inserts are an additional option. They fit in the nose piece, behind the colored lenses.

The rimless inserts are made by Sved Optical and ordered separately.

An order form is included in the SunBuster package.

Sved Optical works closely with SunBuster. You won't be required to mail the nose piece that comes with the glasses when placing your order.

Be prepared to wait a minimum of two weeks for delivery.

The combination of lens, frame, and insert weighed in at 1.3 oz. on my postal scale.

No tools are required when changing lenses.

"Click on Photo to Enlarge"

I wear bifocals and Sved Optical inserted a lined bifocal low in the lens. In my experience they will not interfere with shotgun shooting as they are set very low in the lens.

I referee from time to time for all the major clay target disciplines and bifocals are a must. They are also needed for those times we pull and score for each other.

In addition to receiving the inserts, SunBuster sent an additional colored lens.

I would call them Extreme Purple and they should make an interesting addition to the collection of lenses already provided.

I have a rather extreme shooting agenda laid out for the upcoming weekend and the glasses will be getting a workout.

I'll do a followup on my impression of the glasses at the completion of the upcoming shooting weekend.

Sunbuster Shooting Glasses (Part 1)

Gun rights, see you in court!

Pro-gun organizations such as the NRA will have there work cut out for them over the next few years, taking localities and states to court to enforce the Supremes recent gun rights ruling.

As an example of the craziness on the left, the D.C. city council just stipulated that people registering handguns "not appear to suffer from a physical defect which would make it unsafe for him to possess and use a firearm safely and responsibly."

So, if your missing a leg or arm, or suffering from cerebral palsy, you cannot be armed in the home? What if your arm is in a cast? That is not what the Supremes ruled!

New York State and NYC are still insisting that only they, the government, has the final say on who should be armed in the home, without having to issue any firm laws on why a person can be refused. A government right to refuse based on feelings or anti-gun bias. That is not what the Supremes ruled!

The first person in New York without any issues, such as being a felon, turned down for a license will trigger a court case.

We also have lawyers trying to make a name for themselves, submitting appeals on behalf of felons stating they had the right to be armed and convictions based on there possession of a firearm should be thrown out. That is not what the Supreme Court ruled!

Also, recently published and picked up by the left, is you should not be allowed a firearm in the home as it makes it easier for those who wish to take there own life. That is not what the Supreme Court ruled!

Saturday, July 19, 2008

Browning lower barrel not firing

I started to get light hits om the bottom barrel on my Browning, as shells were not always going off.

Time to change the main springs...

I last changed the springs and firing pins in October 2006.

At that time I suspected it was not the firing pin but the main spring that was the problem. The way the lower firing pin is configured the spring can loose its effectiveness over a period of use.

In any case, I remember it was a bear (almost impossible) to install the new springs so this time I purchased the proper tool from Brownells.

With this tool I was able to easily remove and install both springs. It comes with instructions, but not really needed.

If you have never had your stock off, your going to need as a minimum a 12 inch long screwdriver to get at the stock bolt.

The slots on the screw heads on the trigger guard are very narrow and I found it best to use the screwdriver bits that come with gunsmith kits like you see in Gander Mountain.

I use a vise once the wood has been removed.

At his point you may want to take a few photos if you have a digital camera, as it may help when your putting everything back together.

Release the hammers and your set to go.

After you remove the main springs using the slotted screwdriver it's time to remove the retaining pins that hold the firing pins in place.

Your going to need a small punch to remove the two retaining pins. They only go in one direction, so take a close look before you start pounding.

The bottom firing pin is encased in it's own spring within the chamber and the firing pin may go flying after you remove the retaining pin. The upper pin does not have a spring.

Reassemble after a cleaning and your set to go...

Friday, July 18, 2008

SunBuster Shooting Glasses (Part 1)

I've been going with two lenses for years, but in recent years it was hurting my scores.

I'm a long time Decot user and I did want to purchase additional lenses but the price for additional prescription colored lenses is something I could not justify as there is always the possibility the next time I saw my Optometrists my prescription would change. It did just that last month!

I previously wrote that after researching the various shooting glasses on the market I decided to go with SunBuster shooting glasses.

SunBuster ships with five different ColorCorrect lenses; Crimson Brown, Orange, Yellow, Medium Purple and Light Vermillion.

SunBuster says the lenses included in the package enhance and maximize performance under all different light, target and color conditions. They are high-impact multi-layer polycarbonate lenses and block 100% of UVA/UVB rays.

An optional clear prescription lens inserts into the nose piece, behind the colored lenses.

This fits into what I was looking for; multiple colored lenses, add additional lenses at minimal cost, only one prescription lens required, and the price was right...

Target visibility is everything and one or two lenses is not going to cut it for the various backgrounds we see from club to club or station to station, as experienced in sporting clays and FITASC.

Lighting conditions is another factor. You may have the correct lens color for your clubs background for skeet or trap but what of the changing light conditions?

For many years my eyes could adjust, but as time marches on the old eyes need a helping hand.

Steven Asman, president of SunBuster was kind enough to send me a set of Dude shooting glasses after he learned of my decision to use his glasses. He also arraigned with Sved Optical to provide the prescription lens inserts.

The glasses come in Maverick and Dude frames. The Dude frame is for those of us who have a fuller face and the frame I chose.

I was also shipped an Extreme Green lens (the front lens on photo below) that the company is extremely proud of and wanted me to try.

The dark green lens is suppose to fool the eye into thinking it's a light green but still minimizes eye squint in sunny conditions. Orange targets appear brighter.

The lenses slide out from the frame and you replace lenses as required.

At first I was afraid to manhandle the glasses when exchanging lenses, as the lens are set in the frame pretty tightly, but I learned quickly this was not a problem and the glasses were designed to be manhandled by someone who had not fully read the directions.

Be prepared to clean the lenses after changing them out.

The frame with lens wade in at 30 grams or 1.1 ounces on my postal scale.

I've not received my Sved Optical prescription inserts. They are made in Califoria and had to be ordered separately.

I received a call today from Lisa G. Cinquino from SunBuster, who said she received my prescription lenses and she would be shipping them out.

Lisa also said when they came back from the printer she would be sending me a lens color cheat sheet that will fit in the carrying case. It will be included in all future orders.

A welcome addition to the package offered by SunBuster, as what lens to use under what conditions? So many choices...

When I receive the prescription inserts I will post a follow-up with photos.

I'm looking at shooting Skeet doubles next Friday at the Vermont State Skeet Championships and Sporting Clays that weekend, to include a shoot on Saturday at Sunset Farms near Albany, New York and on Sunday the Lost Target Fun Shoot. A weekend that will be a good test of the glasses and various lenses.

I would be remiss to not note that SunBuster is offering through it's Scholastic Eyewear Program one (1) set of eyewear per athlete for $50 each for teams of the FFA, BSA, 4H, SCTP, Collegiate, and other organized youth teams. A minimum of four glasses must be ordered and for use by team members only.

A pretty good deal, especially for a team who's members may still be using Grand Dads old yellow safety glasses.

Thursday, July 17, 2008

Saskatoon Gun Club Olympic Bunker

I ran into Olympic Bunker shooters from the Saskatoon Gun Club (Canada).

I was informed the club is relocated (they were forced off there property by the city in 2007) and the hole is in the ground for the new Olympic Bunker. The floor has been poured.

What I neglected to ask was what the status was for all shooting disciplines and the 911 address for the relocated club : (

Tuesday, July 15, 2008

Gun safety at the range

Most saw the headline...

Man, 71, dies after shooting at sports club

A 71-year-old man died Sunday morning when a member of a skeet shooting group accidentally shot him in the head at the Old Fishermen's Club of Modesto, authorities reported.

"A few of them were near their vehicles," he said. "One of the gentlemen accidentally touched his trigger and discharged his weapon."

The shooter's gun happened to be pointing toward people a few feet away, Cisneros said. He hit Herrmann in the head.


It's reported that he did not accidental touch his trigger, he did it on purpose.

He was using what he thought was an unloaded shell as a snap cap to release the trigger.

Second mistake was the gun was pointed at someone...

Monday, July 14, 2008

Anheuser-Busch and the shooting sports

Belgian brewer InBev acquired Anheuser-Busch (Budweiser).

Anheuser-Busch has long supported the shooting sports and for years through the local distributor sponsored a skeet shoot at my home club with both added money and prizes (with Budweiser logos attached).

Still in the box, sitting the garage, I have two Budweiser folding chairs from are last shoot.

It will be interesting to see five years from now if Anheuser-Busch will still be involved in the shooting sports, as those who do not have American values will be leading the company.

Sunday, July 13, 2008

Shoot Invitation or Hunting License for Canadians

The question asked in regard to ATF Form 6NIA.

* The form visitors to the states must have pre-approved prior to crossing the border with a firearm and ammunition.

Should Canadians use the shoot invitation option or the stateside hunting license option for bringing firearms into the states?

A good question. What is the purpose of your visit and do you want to be 100% in compliance with U.S. Federal laws? Not having to tap dance if you get into a situation in the states where you have to justify possession.

If you simple plan on attending several shoots, the Invitation Letter is suitable.

If you plan on numerous trips but not sure of your agenda, or also want to be able to cross the border at any time, for any purpose, than the Hunting License option should be used.

I answered as follows...

The ATA invitation seems to work well, as does shoot invitations from various clubs.

However, technically they only allow you to attend shoots; not visit clubs for non-events or to drop over the border anytime you wish, nor to visit a gun smith, target practice at a friends house, or for hunting.

A club can punch up the invitation to give a shooter more latitude for it's club. An example is posted to the Form 6 section on the Lost Target website.

You have an approved ATF Form NIA 6 for use with shoot invitations. It is not legal to be used for other purposes. The person working the border may or may not allow some latitude, but does not have to.

Each shooter has to make his or her own decision on what route to take, especially when it comes to crossing the border and afterword.

What is the answer if there is any incident in the states where you may have to explain (justify) why you have a firearm in your possession, as you entered with a shoot invitation to attend a shoot and are not attending a shoot...

If your doing more than attending shoots, than a hunting license is the way to go!

Using the stateside hunting license option allows shooters to cross the border with his/her approved firearm and ammunition for any reason, not just to attend shoots, at any time for one year from date of approval (and a valid hunting license is in possession of the shooter).


Some may not agree with the post, but I'm given guidance based on U.S. Federal law for bringing firearms into the states and to keep you legal while your in the states. Not based on what you may or may not get away with at the border or what the club house lawyer has to say.

Friday, July 11, 2008

The right to posses a firearm

The Supremes have ruled we have the right to posses a handgun in the home.

Also, use of trigger locks and safe storage cannot be mandated if a firearm is maintained for protection.

Many jurisdictions (and newspapers) don't agree. They want to maintain or put in place unlawful and unreasonable obstacles to deny possession; such as excessive fees and unreasonable handgun restrictions that are now not the norm, such as outlawing semi-automatic handguns. There has also been talk of a $1 tax on shells, per bullet and to outlaw hand-loading of ammunition.

As example; the state of New York and New York City still want to be able to deny a handgun license application without just cause and not give a lawful reason for rejection. They currently require that you justify why you want a license. Self defense is not normally a reason for approval in the state or the city.

The Supremes ruled in affect that it will be the jurisdictions who must give a lawful and reasonable reason for license rejection, where license are required. The state of New York and New York City will have to change the law to conform.

I have no problem with a fair and reasonable license standard, but a standard must be written that conforms to the Supremes ruling.

May I contend the below Federal law is the only reason to deny a firearm purchase or possession:

Persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition:

(1) Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year;

(2) Is a fugitive from justice;

(3) Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;

(4) Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution;

(5) Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;

(6) Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

(7) Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship;

(8) Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner; or

(9) Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

(10) Cannot lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm.

A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year cannot lawfully receive a firearm. Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information.

[18 U.S.C. 922(g) and (n), 27 CFR 478.32]

Monday, July 07, 2008

Kolar serial #406

If you come across a blued Kolar serial #406 for sale, don't buy it, it was stolen from Bill Malcolm, Ontario, Canada.

Kolar and the appropriate authorities have been notified.

Friday, July 04, 2008

Odds & Ends (Jul 4, 2008)


The U.S. sport market for lead is $0.70 per pound.

I'm seeing reports of lead being sold at shoots for under $34 per bag.


Border crossing with firearms.

The guidance posted on the Lost Target on the procedures for crossing the U.S. / Canada border with a firearm is right on the money, as reported on

Joe, may I personally thank you for all you do for trapshooting. Over the years I've enjoyed the photos you continually post from a variety of shoots. I also want to thank you on behalf of our American shooters for helping us with understanding how to check in with US & Canadian Customs when crossing the boarder. I was well prepared and had all the needed documents ready for Customs Agents.

Kenny Ray Estes


NBC News Feed.

I've added a temporary RSS feed from NBC to the main page of the Lost Target and hope we see some interesting articles in regard to the Olympics and shooting sports.



As an early birthday present I received a digital camcorder. Not top of the line (by my request) but a camera that should fit the bill for shooting video at a shoot.

It helped the decision making process on if a camcorder purchase was viable when several timely donations were received.

Don't expect a Steven Spielberg production or thirty minutes of video.

I imagine a 5 to 10 minute video that show the club and it's shooting facilities, with for the most part individual shooters being secondary, but that will depend on the shoot.

Just experimenting, I know that I can plan on adding an hour to two to posting of shoot photos, as to do it right the video requires editing and processing. Then throw in the time it takes to upload.


Shooting glasses.

I mentioned last month my need for new classes and my decision to go with SunBuster Shooting Glasses.

I'm just waiting on the prescription lenses to be made and was told they would be in the mail the first of the week.

When I have glasses in hand I will post a full review.


As for the prescription on my regular glasses.

It turns out my right eye is three times weaker than my left eye.

For most people no big deal as it all works out in the prescription, but as a shooter it can cause problems.

My doctor and I discussed it and he strengthened the right eye lens considerable at my request.

I was dizzy the first hour that I had the new glasses on. That passed and for the first 24 hours I could feel the right eye muscle working from time to time to make the adjustment.

After a week of using the new prescription I don't think I have any reason to go back to a standard prescription. Very comfortable...

Tuesday, July 01, 2008

FBI does not support the right to bear arms

Excuse my French... But it pisses me off that the head of the FBI came out against the Supremes Court ruling on the right of an individual to bear arms.

The government won't close the borders, won't drill for oil, supports gun free zones so you can be picked off by a nut, supports social security and benefits for illegal immigrants, but god forbid if those same government officials can find the time to support the Constitution.

President Bush should call for FBI Director Robert Mueller's immediate resignation!


FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure

Associated Press - July 1, 2008

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — FBI Director Robert Mueller on Monday criticized the U.S. Supreme Court's recent ruling that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, saying it may harm efforts to deter violent crime.

Speaking at a convention of the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators in Hartford, Mueller said the ruling "does throw a lot of things up in the air."

By a 5-4 vote last week, the nation's highest court struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns, the first major pronouncement on gun rights in history. It upheld the right for communities to license guns.

Mueller said communities will have to determine their own license programs. As a former Marine who served in Vietnam, he said "I tend to believe weapons harm people and more often than not they harm the people carrying them."

With his grandchildren going to college, Mueller said he hopes "those campuses will be weapons free."

Mueller said the FBI's top priority remains counterterrorism, counter-intelligence and protecting the secrets of the United States.

He said college campuses and small communities could be "potential incubators of terrorism" even while major cities such as New York and Los Angeles remain primary targets for terrorists.

"The fact is we can't rule out any community in the United States as a potential incubator of terrorism," Mueller said.